Friday, June 27, 2025

Cenk Tries to Speak Reason to His Tribe... in Vain!

...but again, they are Ideological, not Reasonable/ Rational!  Talking to Democrats is like trying to convince religiously devout Muslims to believe the Pope.  They're incapable of separating the Messenger from the Message without first wrapping it in the Guilt-Pride Ideological Narrative and then Disappearing the Messenger.

It's the Guilt-Pride Ideology Stupid!  They just can't do it!  They cannot escape their own Language Game, for the Rules of their Game are a priori

82 comments:

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

How so? Is this "split" going to result in prior supporters abandoning trump? What trumpers want to unite with lefties in opposing Turd-2 taking orders from NuttenYahoo? YOU are with Cenk in not supporting the bombing of Iran by Turd-2?

Joe Conservative said...

You don't know that I was against it? Wow, you really have been blinded.

Yes, MAGA has 2 camps... the TECH BRO Musk/Thiel billionaire camp and the Bannon/Populist camp.

Both MAGA camps dislike establishment neoliberalism, as represented in the NYC mayors race by Cuomo, or Hillary Clinton/ Joe Bidens allied with the anti-Trump NeoCons and establishment DNC.

Joe Conservative said...

The UniParty that you pretend you're not allied with.

Joe Conservative said...

...and Nobody on Team MAGA is leaving Trump until the UniParty is d.e.a.d.

Les Carpenter said...

Conjecture.

Joe Conservative said...

Informed conjecture.

Les Carpenter said...

Conjecture nonetheless.

Joe Conservative said...

So's Special Relativity.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Response from the Left to the video you posted >>here<<

FYI, I'm not allied with a "uniparty". I'm to the LEFT of the centrist DNC. As I keep saying even though you have (and surely will) continue insisting otherwise @@

"Cenk Tries to Speak Reason to His Tribe... in Vain" = BS. The video I linked to proves it.

Joe Conservative said...

You really don't get it. The Left "talk" (and never action) is what provides cover for the 65% of the Neoliberal Democrat leaders. Cenk and Anna are to the "Left" of them (as are most Democrats), but they're at least onto the Party leaders scam that kept Bernie from being the nominee in 2016 and 2020 and 2024.

But no, you're still their butt boy...

Joe Conservative said...

Nancy, Liz Warren, Chuckie Schumer... DINOs.

Les Carpenter said...

America needs a new party, Truth to Power Party. Truth and Radical Initiatives that would burn the stench if MAGA and restore freshness to our now badly soiled and suffering democracy.

Joe Conservative said...

...but they can do no wrongs in your eyes. They're part of the TRIBE! lol!

Joe Conservative said...

You'll never get it when you pack the Democratic Party leadership with Neoliberal DINOs.

Joe Conservative said...

They're "Mitch McConnell" Democrats.

Anonymous said...


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We have just seen an avowed Islamicist,and Jew Hater, as well as an American Hater Zohran Mamdani, win the Democratic primary nomination for the Mayor of New York City under the aegis of the Democratic socialists. Now please tell me if you will, what is this man up to? We already know he can not passably do any of the things that he has promised to do. It’s impossible Period. So I ask again, What is he up to?

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Les Carpenter said...

Labels, labels, and more labels. Identifying everything according to the favorite illusion of your day.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Minus: ...but they can do no wrongs in your eyes. They're part of the TRIBE! lol!

You can QUOTE where I said this? What 🐂💩

The Democratic Party needs to move to the Left. Of these three, Elizabeth Warren is closer to where the Democratic Party needs to be. The other two are standing in the way of the move to the Left the Democratic party needs to make to win.

The point I made in my FIRST comment is that it is TALK and no ACTION from trump supporters that makes this "break" from Turd-2 in regards to bombing Iran meaningless.

You try to say the same about me -- when you CONFIRMED this is what YOU do??? wtf?

Your Confirmation: Nobody on Team MAGA is leaving Trump until the UniParty is d.e.a.d.

FYI, trump will be dead first before this happens. If it does. So you are NEVER leaving trump. No matter what he does. Which I already knew.

"You don't know that I was against it? Wow, you really have been blinded" = who cares? This is a meaningless position to SAY you have.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Cenk and Ana are useful idiots for the right. Proven by you liking what they say. The TYT video is Cenk presenting straw men and proclaiming himself to be superior because he doesn't have these straw men positions.

Congressional republicans can prove their "breaks" with trump by joining with Democrats in votes. Democrats will vote with republicans. Cenk and Ana are so full of sh!t. Tearing down the Left with strawmen is not helping, it's harming. That's what the hosts of the video I linked to say. I'd guess you didn't look.

Joe Conservative said...

Liz Warren is the biggest hypocrite of the bunch... so full of guilt pride that she dresses up in whites-victim identity as Pocahontas. What a joke.

Joe Conservative said...

Yes, it's called "using words".

Joe Conservative said...

...but you probably favour NOT using words, aka, "violence"

Joe Conservative said...

White guilt-pride, in action. An ego defense mechanism in which the person identifies with the aggressor, ala Stockholm Syndrome, but instigated because they feel misplaced guilt for the historical "crimes" of their race like slavery.

Les Carpenter said...

Again, judgement without knowledge.

Les Carpenter said...

Again, judgment without concrete knowledge of or evidence beyond belief. Beliefs based on illusions founded in false naratives. Supported by reified conditioned beliefs.

Joe Conservative said...

aka - Psychology.

Joe Conservative said...

Knowledge is unnecessary so long as you hold right opinion. :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

ps - A little Meden agan on the "empathy" might cure you of your illusions, Les.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...it's the "blood supply" feeding your woke mind virus.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

;p

Les Carpenter said...

LMFAO!!

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No.

Joe Conservative said...

^^In DeNile...^^

Joe Conservative said...

^^Spreader^^

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Woke is the antidote to the toxic White Supremacist mind virus. This explains why you hate it so passionately.

And you have bragged about being a spreader of the White Supremacist mind virus. It seems you think this blog has infected a lot of people. That, or that many people (most who never comment) read this blog because it affirms there is "nothing wrong" with them. Because White Supremacist hate is actually a "good" thing.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

I always deny imaginary BS like "White guilt pride". Denying false narratives is a positive, not a negative.

Les Carpenter said...

jc, thev man who loves labels and othering all but the zombies of the MAGA con.

Joe Conservative said...

^^Anti-white Neo-Racist^^

Joe Conservative said...

^^Linguistically challenged nutjob^^

Joe Conservative said...

btw - zombies of the MAGA con is a label.

Joe Conservative said...

...an "othering" label. @@

Joe Conservative said...

Orange Man Bad! lol!

Joe Conservative said...

...another "evil" good/ bad dichotomy. ;P

Joe Conservative said...

Misrecognition of a truth as a falsity is a negative.

Les Carpenter said...

Yup. You're right. It is. No argument.

Happy to acknowledge.

Simply adjusting to the environment in which I find myself.

^^Anti-white neo racist^^ Just one of jc's many labels. Which are of course nothing but straight up MAGA bullshit.

Joe Conservative said...

See video in thread above. :)

Joe Conservative said...

...the Eurocentric perspective or reason and rationality is just so oppressive and wrong! It needs de-colonialization immediately! (from the "academic" inventors of novel terms and concepts)

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No.

Les Carpenter said...

Continuing to do the same thing over and over again while expecting different results is the very definition of insanity.

Row row row your boat gently down the stream.

Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.


When the people place their trust in a malignant narcissist with active delusions of grandeur it is easily duped and ultimately screwed.

djt, the world's most accomplished living con man and pathological liar. Yet 80 million sleepers voted for the lying POS a second time.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

But you do that all the time.

Joe Conservative said...

I have to. There are MANY truths. And it's the purpose and process of schizoanalysis to uncover them.

"Thus the unfacts, did we possess them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude, the evidencegivers by legpoll too untrustworthy irreperible where his adjugers are semmingly freak threes but his judicandees plainly minus twos."
- James Joyce, "Finnegans Wake"

"Is the strays world moving mound or what static babel is this, tell us?"
- James Joyce, "Finnegans Wake"




"Happily you were not quite so successful in the process verbal whereby you would sublimate your blepharospasmockical suppressions, it seems?"
- James Joyce, "Finnegans Wake"




"The Vico road goes round and round to meet where terms begin. Still onappealed to by the cycles and unappalled by the recoursers we feel all serene, never you fret, as regards our dutyful cask."
- James Joyce, "Finnegans Wake"

Joe Conservative said...

That's the guilt-pride talking, Derv.

Joe Conservative said...

...or should I clarify, not "talking" but "repressing".

Joe Conservative said...

...because they did something you never tried. To take what he says as his honest opinion/ belief, and then try and understand his perspective (as a "deal maker") of "THE GOOD".

Joe Conservative said...

The good lies in the "production"... not the re-distribution.

Les Carpenter said...

Because your delusions are just so comforting. To you.

Joe Conservative said...

...even if they didn't comfort, I'd still have them. That's what will to power is. A collection of right opinions.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No.

Anonymous said...

//I'm to the LEFT of the centrist DNC.

Yap.


Cause commies can support ONLY ONE party)))

Les Carpenter said...

LMAO!!!

Joe Conservative said...

And you're the proverbial "exception to the rule"? LMAOROFL!

Joe Conservative said...

Q.E.D.!

Les Carpenter said...

The thing about knowing EVERYTHING as the big turd tRump and MAGA believe is there's so much more disappointment when you realize just how wrong you've been.

Joe Conservative said...

You channeling feelings for the Biden Presidency here...?

Les Carpenter said...

Channeling truth. That's it. You're the worshipper of personality. Not me.

Joe Conservative said...

Acta non Verba's got nothing to do with personality.

Les Carpenter said...

Right. I'd like to believe you except I don't trust anything MAGA. Period.

Joe Conservative said...

It's probably because the alternative you offer is so bad.

Les Carpenter said...

You have no idea because its never been offered. Why not? Because it doesn't please the wealthy oligarchs.

Joe Conservative said...

Sounds like an admission that you're just another form of MAGA, a party controlled by indifferent self-serving elites.

Les Carpenter said...

Well, Bernie should have been the one the dem brass invested their money and muscle in. I actually realized it belatedly. I really believe at this point the only thing that will actually have a lasting positive impact on national government is a radical shift and a deep dive onto democratic socialism . Screw the republican and democratic corporatists and the elite oligarchs. They've had their day and managed to screw it up royally because their priorities were focused on themselves.

Joe Conservative said...

???

We're neck deep in Democratic Socialism. What do you think the WEF's project was? Everyone a prole! Ef THAT!

Joe Conservative said...

The Democratic Socialists have no "middle" class. There are only two classes. Rich, and proles.

Les Carpenter said...

Bullshit.

But it is true that that is Exactly what the increasing income disparity has resulted in in the wealthiest nation on the planet. And it is only going to get worse under the administration of the FOTUS.

The delusions republican MAGA are in love with will ultimately f**k them with a smile too.

Get ready for your f**king.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Only in your delusions.

Anonymous said...

While DEMNs watching silently in delight that their evil deed done in their stead. :-p

Les Carpenter said...

Pure evil now sits in what used to be known as the Oval Office. And the evil deeds done by the FOTUS will reverberate for decades.

Joe Conservative said...

The wealth pump is going to a global elite. Time to shut down Empire.

Joe Conservative said...

^^Fear is the mind killer^^

Les Carpenter said...

Fear? Not at all. Truth is truth.

Lies of the FOTUS are simply lies.

No need for fear.

Besides:

This old fart will be fine. My offspring and theirs? Likely not. The jackass FOTUS is insuring that. Unless a political tsunami strikes and wipes out MAGA and its shitass policies.

Joe Conservative said...

Truth is.... relative. The Criterion being a "feeling" of increased power. (Nietzsche, WTP).

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Yap. Cause commies can support ONLY ONE party)))

^^ comment made by a moron ^^