Saturday, June 17, 2023

The Lawfare Persecution Continues...



Will Scharf, "6 Reasons DOJ’s ‘Get Trump’ Documents Case Is Seriously Flawed"
Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act.

I am a former assistant U.S. attorney, worked on two Supreme Court confirmations, and clerked for two federal appellate judges. I have reviewed the indictment brought by Special Counsel Jack Smith in the documents case against former President Donald Trump, and have serious concerns with the way this case is being framed in the public and with some aspects of the way the prosecution itself is being conducted.

Here are six major issues I see that need to be addressed by the special counsel’s team.

1. Interplay Between the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act

Others have already spoken insightfully about the scope of the Presidential Records Act (PRA). Mike Davis of the Article III Project has published and spoken on the subject, and Michael Bekesha of Judicial Watch had a fascinating article in The Wall Street Journal detailing his experience litigating the Clinton Sock Drawer Case.

Basically, their argument distills down to the idea that the president’s authority to retain personal records, as well as his rights to access his presidential records, make it impossible to prosecute him under the Espionage Act section at issue here, § 793(e), because the government cannot prove “unauthorized possession,” as required under the statute.

I want to make a different point relating to the intent element of the Espionage Act, the statute Trump is being charged under.

Section 793(e) requires the government to prove that the defendant knew he had National Defense Information (NDI) in his possession, knew there was a government official entitled to receive the information, and then willfully failed to deliver it to that official.

This is a very high set of mens rea bars to jump in any circumstance. Proving a defendant’s intent and knowledge can often be tough. But it’s even tougher here because of the Presidential Records Act.

The Presidential Records Act sets up a system where the president designates all records that he creates either as presidential or personal records (44 U.S.C. § 2203(b)). A former president is supposed to turn over his presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), and he has the right to keep his personal records.

Based on the documents I’ve read and his actions I’ve read about, I believe Trump viewed his “boxes” as his personal records under the PRA. There are statements he made, quoted in the indictment, that support that view. If Trump considered the contents of these boxes to be of purely personal interest, hence his designation of them as personal records, did he knowingly retain NDI?

Did he really think these documents, like years-old briefing notes and random maps, jumbled together with his letters, news clippings, scribbled notes, and random miscellaneous items, “could be used to the injury of the United States”? Or did he just think of them as mementos of his time in office, his personal records of the four years, akin to a journal or diary?

If he thought these boxes were his personal records, he may have believed NARA simply had no right to receive them at all — meaning he did not willfully withhold anything from an official he knew had the right to receive them because he didn’t believe that anyone had the right to receive them.

By breathlessly bandying around classification levels and markings, the special counsel is trying to make this case seem much, much simpler than it is. Classification levels do not automatically make something NDI, and having classified documents in your possession is not enough to convict here. It is simply not the case that the fact that previously classified documents were found in boxes in a Mar-a-Lago bathroom means Trump is guilty.

That’s what they want you to think, and that has the media’s inch-deep view for the most part, but it’s dead wrong.

More than anything, this case hinges on the ability of the special counsel to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” aspects of Trump’s state of mind that will be extremely difficult to prove in this case because of his obligations and rights under the Presidential Records Act — in addition to all of the usual issues.

2. Classification and National Defense Information

Just because something is classified — even Top Secret, SCI, NOFORN, FISA, pick your alphabet soup — does not mean it is National Defense Information within the meaning of the Espionage Act. NDI, for the purposes of an Espionage Act prosecution, is defined as one of a long list of items “relating to the national defense which information the possessor had reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.”

A lot of the documents listed in the indictment are older, or seemingly random. Would Trump in 2022 have had reason to know that a 2019 briefing document “related to various foreign countries, with handwritten annotation in black marker” could harm the U.S. or help foreign countries?

It is tough to say because we cannot see the documents, but that is a question the jury is going to have to decide in the end, and Trump’s legal team needs to drive home this point over and over again: Classification is not dispositive in this case. Harm to America or benefit to foreign countries is the standard.

Anyone who has worked around government knows that overclassification is a huge problem. A ton of documents end up being classified because of arcane technical rules that may not reflect the real world. If the president were to ask the Navy what’s for lunch for the next week at Coronado, for example, there is a good chance the answer comes back with a classification marker on it.

To put it simply, not everything classified constitutes NDI. This case revolves around actual legal standards and statutory language, not a bunch of scary-looking all-caps acronyms.

3. Walt Nauta and DOJ Misconduct

Far and away the most troubling side story to emerge from this saga so far are the allegations made by Trump aide and co-defendant Walt Nauta’s lawyer last week.

You may have missed it if you blinked. Not surprisingly, the corporate media have mostly buried this one.

Nauta’s lawyer, Stanley Woodward, alleged in a court filing that during a meeting with prosecutors about his client’s case, the head of the Counterintelligence Section of DOJ’s National Security Division Jay Bratt “suggested Woodward’s judicial application [for a DC Superior Court judgeship] might be considered more favorably if he and his client cooperated against Trump.”

If true, and I find it hard to believe that Woodward just made the whole thing up, this is wild misconduct. Truly wild. It could undermine the entire case against both Trump and Nauta. It could end careers at DOJ if fairly investigated.

Woodward is a highly accomplished lawyer. He spent a decade at Akin Gump, a top law firm, clerked on the D.C. Circuit, and has very substantial experience in government investigations. This is not some fly-by-night TV lawyer. He is a legal heavyweight, and he is leveling an extremely serious allegation of misconduct against a senior official at DOJ.

Watch this issue as the case against Trump and Nauta begins to move. We will all hear more about it, I am sure.

4. Attorney-Client Privilege

The indictment relies on a significant amount of information received, in one form or another, from one of Trump’s lawyers, Evan Corcoran, who was compelled to testify in front of the grand jury. According to news reports, the argument for breaching the privilege was the crime-fraud exception, which is worth examining in greater detail.

The attorney-client privilege protects from disclosure to the government confidential communications made between clients and their attorneys. It has been around for centuries and is considered a core protection in our system of justice.

The crime-fraud exception, though, allows the attorney-client privilege to be broken in rare circumstances when two requirements are met: First, there needs to be a prima facie showing that the client was engaged in criminal conduct. Second, the client has to have obtained or sought the attorney’s assistance in furthering that crime.

I have not seen DOJ’s filings on Corcoran, but I would be interested to know how they argued this. First of all, what was the crime they used as a predicate? Was it unlawful retention of the documents? If so, there is nothing in the indictment that I can see indicating Corcoran’s communications with Trump would have furthered that in a way that would justify breaching privilege.

Was it obstruction? I think this is the most likely option: They pierced attorney-client privilege using obstruction as the predicate crime for the crime-fraud exception, saying that Trump’s conversations with Corcoran amounted to him attempting to enlist Corcoran in a criminal obstruction scheme.

Now, we will see how this theory goes for the government. I have my doubts.

But if that is the case, just reading this indictment, it seems as though the obstruction charges may have been structured specifically in part just to get Corcoran’s testimony in, to help buttress what would otherwise be a much weaker case against Trump on the substantive charges.

In any case, the special counsel is going to have to show why the communications in question were a solicitation by Trump to Corcoran to join him in criminal acts, as opposed to Trump asking a lawyer he hired to advise him on his legal defense, to tell him what his options were, or to outline what defensive steps might be possible, and what was done by others in previous cases like Hillary Clinton’s emails.

Reading the conversations in the indictment, they sound a lot more like honest attorney-client communications than they do crime fraud to me, even with all ellipses and modifications made by the special counsel’s team.

I expect a motion by Trump’s legal team on this issue, and if they win that will cut the guts out of much of this case. It will be very tough to prove intent and willfulness the way the government needs to without Corcoran, at least based on what we see in the indictment.

5. Timing: Why Now?

This is not a legal defect in the indictment, but it is an important point nonetheless. Why are they bringing this case now?

They know Trump is the leading candidate for president. They know he is beating Biden in the polls. They must know how bad it looks for a sitting president’s DOJ to indict that president’s primary political opponent.

DOJ has long had policies in place to prevent new indictments from being brought, or overt investigative acts being committed, in the months preceding an election in order to avoid the appearance of political timing. The same reasoning clearly applies here.

The special counsel’s team did not have a statute of limitations issue, they could have easily just announced the facts as they saw them after the search warrant was executed and all the documents were recovered, and then held off on further investigative acts and the indictment until after November 2024.

The fact that they did not follow that course is strong evidence to me that a big part of this is the burning desire among many on the left to “get Trump.” They don’t care about the law. They don’t care about the facts. They don’t care about norms or propriety or anything else. They just want Trump in cuffs.

The fact that our law enforcement and intelligence apparatuses are being weaponized in this way against a leading presidential contender is truly a black mark on them and on our republic.

If I were Trump’s lawyers, I would consider moving to continue further proceedings until after November 2024. Let the case sit. The country doesn’t need to litigate this right now. We need to pick our next president. If DOJ won’t agree to that continuance, let them explain why this has to happen right now. There is no good reason that I can see.

6. Jack Smith: Why Him?

If you could pick any lawyer in the country to handle a controversial case against a former president, a case involving an aggressive, unprecedented use of the Espionage Act, a controversial law in and of itself, what lawyer would you pick?

You’d probably want just a consummate professional, right? Career prosecutor with no political profile at all? White knight in shining armor who’s never lost a case?

Or you could pick Jack Smith.

The single case Jack Smith is most publicly associated with was the prosecution of Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell.

In that case, using a very aggressive interpretation of the scope of federal bribery and honest services fraud statutes, Smith nuked the career and life of a popular Republican politician, before having all his convictions overturned by the Supreme Court in a unanimous opinion.

A unanimous Supreme Court smacked Smith down for an overzealous, legally defective prosecution of a Republican politician, and the opinion was so devastating that DOJ did not even attempt to retry the case. It was just dropped.

As has been noted publicly as well, Smith’s wife is a leftist filmmaker who produced a hagiography of Michelle Obama, and he currently lives in the Netherlands. Was there not anyone else up to the task on this side of the Atlantic?

If this is not a political prosecution, if Merrick Garland wasn’t just trying to “get Trump,” then why was Jack Smith the pick? Like the timing, the decision reeks of politics.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

""Classification levels do not automatically make something NDI, and having classified documents in your possession is not enough to convict here.""

Quote from post text with single purpose -- to make Derpy jumping through hoops here. ;-P

Q said...

I wanna admit, that is the best of your posts I have seen in this blog.

Inightful. And to the point. If there'd be a way, I would give Thumn Up.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The best argument wasn't even given voice. The Constitutional one:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 3:

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.


The PRA becomes a bill of attainder if ever used to punish a President.... which is the very reason the "Espionage Act" was cited, and NOT the PRA.

Dervish Sanders said...

donald tRump supporter/defender Qtard gives donald tRump supporter/defender Minus FJ a "thumn up" for posting bullplop article by donald tRump supporter/defender
Will Scharf... But donald tRump will still very likely be convincted.

Anonymous said...

And what if not? ;-P



Well... I like your openly totalitarian and Religious Bonkerism claim -- "Those who are NOT with us, are against us".

Continue-continue. De-Ru-Pi.

Dervish Sanders said...

Fake "claim". Not made "openly" or even thought.

Anonymous said...

\\donald tRump supporter/defender Qtard gives donald tRump supporter/defender Minus FJ a "thumn up" for posting bullplop article by donald tRump supporter/defender


That is the SAME logic Nazis was using. When EVERYONE need to be "nordic", show faith in "our fuhrer" and persude all who are not. ;-P

But yeah. You confirmed that you hypocrite and liar, with that how you tryed to discredit such an openly visible facts... fact of your behavior. ;-P

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: That is the SAME logic Nazis was using. When EVERYONE need to ... show faith in "our fuhrer" and persude all who are not.

AGREED! Qtard's Nazi "logic" DOES demand that everyone have faith in the Orange Fuhrer, donald tRump. Why, in defense of the Orange Fuhrer, Nazi Qtard keeps trying to discredit openly visible facts. As anyone can see it angers Nazi Qtard greatly that I dare to push back on Qtard's attempted discrediting of these facts. Facts that point to tRump's guilt. Guilt that could put donald tRump behind bars instead of back in the White House. Something Nazi Qtard wants VERY much. To destroy democracy in America would be Nazi Qtard's dream come true.

Anonymous said...

\\AGREED! Qtard's Nazi "logic" DOES demand that everyone have faith in the Orange Fuhrer, donald tRump.

Yawn.

"Nazis of the Future, will be calling themself anti-Nazi"... as predicted long-long ago.




\\Why, in defense of the Orange Fuhrer, Nazi Qtard keeps trying to discredit openly visible facts. As anyone can see it angers Nazi Qtard greatly that I dare to push back on Qtard's attempted discrediting of these facts. Facts that point to tRump's guilt.

Yawn

Cite em.

Cause you showed NONE of facts, yet.

Oh... recently, by a chance... watched CNN. Whole HOUR... talking heads talking about "that nasty-nasty dRump... who surreally ARE guilty".

And you trying to say that there is NO Demn Propaganda??? On CNN. ;-P

CNN you do not watch... but using THE SAME talking points. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Guilt that could put donald tRump behind bars instead of back in the White House.

Ha-ha-ha...

And what do they say... on CNN.

That in USA even convicts -- still CAN became POTUS. ;-P

That would be funny. Go. Put him in jail. Or even better -- gather our balls -- and kill him. Make him martyr!

That would hilarious. For a foreigner.



\\Something Nazi Qtard wants VERY much. To destroy democracy in America would be Nazi Qtard's dream come true.

Whatever you'd do -- that's your own doing. People of USA. Democracy.

Your Captain Obvious. ;-P

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

"Nazis of the Future, will be calling themself anti-Nazi"... explains Qtard.

"Whatever you'd do -- that's your own doing. People of USA. Democracy"... anti-democracy. Like J6. Which you defend. Because Nazi Qtard thinks getting rid of democracy is a "human right".

Anonymous said...

Clearly an idiot :-))))))))))))))))))))))

Even without traces of originality.

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

\\"Whatever you'd do -- that's your own doing. People of USA. Democracy"... anti-democracy. Like J6. Which you defend. Because Nazi Qtard thinks getting rid of democracy is a "human right".

So??? Fathers Founders of USA was Nazis???

In accordance to All-Wise Derpy? ;-P

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

"Derpy" may have told Qtard that the "Fathers Founders" were Nazis. Maybe they were. I don't know who the "Fathers Founders" were/are. I'm guessing they're imaginary and only exist in Qtard's delusions.

btw, The Founding Fathers were definitely not Nazis.

Google says "Madison was the last Founding Father to die at the age of 85 in June, 1836". The Nazi party didn't exist during the time of the Founding Fathers. The Nazi party was founded on 2/20/1920.

Qtard = Clearly an idiot :-))))))))))))))))))))))

Anonymous said...

\\I don't know who the "Fathers Founders" were/are. I'm guessing they're imaginary and only exist in Qtard's delusions.

Google knows and you not? Maybe you are fake merican??? :-)))

""Fact #1: These seven men are the principle Founding Fathers: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison.""

;-P


\\Google says "Madison was the last Founding Father to die at the age of 85 in June, 1836". The Nazi party didn't exist during the time of the Founding Fathers. The Nazi party was founded on 2/20/1920.

But never the less... YOU yourself claimed that "Ukrainians are Nazis".
Cause, propaganda from CNN told you.
And you "belive in facts" from Demn Propaganda. Which. In a step, Putin's Propaganda.



\\Qtard = Clearly an idiot :-))))))))))))))))))))))

VERY credible... from... an entity, that shows idiocy in every comment.
:-)))))))))))

Anonymous said...

Why you not answered with your "clever" retorts to that my comments???


\\The US never threatened Russia with "Give us a reason... and we'll bomb you out!"

Operation Chrome Dome - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Operation_Chrome_...
Operation Chrome Dome was a United States Air Force Cold War-era mission from 1960 to 1968 in which B-52 strategic bomber aircraft armed with thermonuclear ...




\\According to the indictment, among the top-secret and other classified records were details on foreign nations' nuclear capabilities, as well as information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both U.S. and foreign countries, U.S. nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities of the U.S. and its allies to military attack, and plans for possible retaliation in response to an attack.

Well... they say that there was "top secret" documents found in Biden'd homes... but that, doesn't counts? Because Holy Biden cannot hold em... for some vicious reasons???



The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: Google knows and you not?

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison are the US Founding Fathers, NOT "Fathers Founders".

Qtard: YOU yourself claimed that "Ukrainians are Nazis".

Lie. I never claimed this.

Qtard: Cause, propaganda from CNN told you.

Lie. CNN never reported that Ukrainians are Nazis.

Qtard: And you "belive in facts" from Demn Propaganda. Which. In a step, Putin's Propaganda.

Lie. There is no such thing as "Demn propaganda". Putin's propaganda is that the Russian military needed to invade to denazify the Ukrainian government. That is a total lie. A lie never spread by CNN or Democrats. This lie was spread by republicans.

Qtard: VERY credible... from... an entity, that shows idiocy in every comment.

You quoted me, not yourself. But if you did admit to being an idiot... I would believe you.

Qtard: [US to Russia] "Give us a reason... and we'll bomb you out!"

Should the United States make that threat to Iran and North Korea? Will that scare these two countries into abandoning their nuclear weapons programs?

FYI, that threat (which you say the US made in the 60s via Chrome Dome), didn't work. "The Soviet Union launched a large military build-up in 1965 by expanding both nuclear and conventional arsenals".

Qtard: ...they say that there was "top secret" documents found in Biden'd homes... but that, doesn't counts? Because Holy Biden cannot hold em... for some vicious reasons???

"In Biden's case, the issue is not one of concealing documents or defiance of requests to give them back to the government. ...it was Biden's own lawyers who discovered the documents and immediately informed government authorities and turned them over". Link.

The reason wasn't "vicious". The reason is that is what the law says. Give them back (or don't take them) after leaving office. Biden and Pence gave documents they had back immediately. donald tRump refused. Why his home was "raided". tRump STILL insists he was legally entitled to take them, which is false. There wouldn't have been an indictment of Holy tRump if he had cooperated and returned all the documents immediately.

Anonymous said...

\\Qtard: Google knows and you not?

\\George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison are the US Founding Fathers, NOT "Fathers Founders".

Whatever.

Google can understand. And you claim that you not. Brainless Google. Are U MORE stupid than it??? ;-P




\\Qtard: YOU yourself claimed that "Ukrainians are Nazis".

\\Lie. I never claimed this.

Hoh... so, you still able to discern, your own claims... from just citing?

Or... that is ONLY about your own words?

When it about me, you trying to push that anything I quote it's my own words. With stubborness of a (stable?) genius. ;-P



\\Qtard: Cause, propaganda from CNN told you.

\\Lie. CNN never reported that Ukrainians are Nazis.

Oh, come on. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You tryed for such a long time to use that dirty (of shit) yellow pages of CNN against me.

And now you trying to reassure me that you NEVER did it?

What an orvellian fit. ;-P



\\Lie. There is no such thing as "Demn propaganda". Putin's propaganda is that the Russian military needed to invade to denazify the Ukrainian government. That is a total lie. A lie never spread by CNN or Democrats. This lie was spread by republicans.

Show me.



\\You quoted me, not yourself. But if you did admit to being an idiot... I would believe you.

Yawn.

Gibberish.



\\Should the United States make that threat to Iran and North Korea? Will that scare these two countries into abandoning their nuclear weapons programs?

How should I know? I am foreigner, remember?



\\FYI, that threat (which you say the US made in the 60s via Chrome Dome), didn't work. "The Soviet Union launched a large military build-up in 1965 by expanding both nuclear and conventional arsenals".

Of course they did. Out of fear. THAT IS how successful THREATS work.

Or what, did you thought that mere threat can force anyone... to give up???

Why you not given up to Japan and Germany then???



\\"In Biden's case, the issue is not one of concealing documents or defiance of requests to give them back to the government. ...it was Biden's own lawyers who discovered the documents and immediately informed government authorities and turned them over". Link.

Oh, yes. :-)))))))))))))))



\\tRump STILL insists he was legally entitled to take them, which is false.

And what if court will find that there is NO crime in it? ;-P

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Will Scharf: Nauta's lawyer, Stanley Woodward, alleged in a court filing that during a meeting with prosecutors ... the head of the Counterintelligence Section of DOJ's National Security Division Jay Bratt "suggested Woodward's judicial application [for a DC Superior Court judgeship] might be considered more favorably if he and his client cooperated against Trump".

The Guardian: ...prosecutors have no control over the success of judicial applications ... [therefore it is more likely] that Bratt was genuinely surprised to see the application and raised it as an aside.

The extent of any potential impact to the case is similarly unclear, since it does not appear to have directly affected any testimony Nauta gave to prosecutors, and Bratt would not have the ability to influence such an application, which is handled by the White House counsel's office.

"Even if it's true, it would not rise to the level of prosecutorial misconduct", former US attorney Joyce Vance said. "Prosecutors don't have any influence over judicial applications and all the parties to the conversation would have known that". [6/8/2023]

Qtard: Whatever. Google can understand. And you claim that you not. Brainless Google. Are U MORE stupid than it???

YOU called the US Founding Fathers "fathers founders". Yet it's ME that's stupid? By what alchemy does YOUR stupidity become MY stupidity? Google doesn't want to discourage stupid people from using it, so (when stupidity is entered) Google makes a guess as to what the stupid person actually meant. So what? I have no obligation to ignore your stupidity.

Qtard: \\Qtard: YOU yourself claimed that "Ukrainians are Nazis". \\Lie. I never claimed this.\\ Hoh... so, you still able to discern, your own claims... from just citing? Or... that is ONLY about your own words?

BOTH. I never said Ukrainians are Nazis. And I never cited any article that said Ukrainians are Nazis. Ukrainians are NOT Nazis. I cited articles that correctly pointed out that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis. A small (though not insignificant) number. But the Ukrainian government is not filled with Nazis. The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is Jewish.

Also, "Zelenskyy grew up as a native Russian speaker [and] as president, Zelenskyy has been a proponent ... of unity between the Ukrainian and Russian-speaking parts of the country's population". Further proof of the absurdity of Putin's claims that Russian-speakers in Ukraine were being persecuted/murdered by a regime filled with Nazis.

Qtard: \\You quoted me, not yourself. But if you did admit to being an idiot... I would believe you.\\Yawn. Gibberish.

In your prior comment you referred to "an entity, that shows idiocy in every comment". The "entity that shows idiocy in every comment" is YOU. Yet you said this in reference to MY comment. I pointed out that you should have said it in reference to one of your OWN comments. Which would be the only way what you wrote could be true.

Qtard failing to understand a clearly written comment due to Qtard's stupidity does not make the comment "gibberish".

Qtard: \\Qtard: Cause, propaganda from CNN told you.\\Lie. CNN never reported that Ukrainians are Nazis.\\Oh, come on. You tryed for such a long time to use that dirty (of shit) yellow pages of CNN against me. And now you trying to reassure me that you NEVER did it?

I never did it.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

[continued]

I used against you the FACT that you're a liar. Qtard CLAIMS that "facts just is", but denies the fact that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis. CNN acknowledged that fact. I acknowledged it. Qtard (the HUGE hypocrite and liar that he is) denies reality and slanders those who acknowledge it. Calls point-to-reality facts "shit".

Qtard: \\This lie was spread by republicans.\\Show me.

I already did. NMP that you don't remember. Though I say you pretend not to remember. This is another aspect of your extreme dishonesty. You keep asking for the same information over and over. And PRETEND I never provided it over and over.

US rightwing figures in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation, experts say. ... Led by Tucker Carlson at Fox News, a few Republican rightwingers in Congress, and some conservative activists, a spate of comments that have disparaged Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and echoed other Russian war disinformation have been recycled by Moscow, say experts. [The Guardian].

Qtard: \\Should the United States make that threat to Iran and North Korea? Will that scare these two countries into abandoning their nuclear weapons programs?\\ How should I know? I am foreigner, remember?

You're the one who brought it up. I thought that is what you were suggesting. If not, then WHY did you bring up Chrome Dome? I'm a foreigner too (as far as Iranians and North Koreans are concerned). So how would I know?

btw, I remember you claim to be a foreigner. I don't know how I could "remember" that claim being accurate when I have no way of knowing if you're lying or telling the truth.

Qtard: Of course they [Russia] did [build up it's nuclear arsenal]. Out of fear. THAT IS how successful THREATS work.

So, you think a threat of "don't do that or there will be consequences", followed by Russia doing it more... that's success? How so, dummy?

Qtard: did you thought that mere threat can force anyone... to give up???

I did not think that. That was YOUR suggestion. That "0-bama" and "Holy Biden" could have threatened Putin and he would have given up his desire to get back former Russian territories. So you admit you lied? And you only blame Democrats and excuse republicans because you are a huge hypocrite?

Qtard: Why you not given up to Japan and Germany then???

I never said "mere threat can force anyone to give up", you did.

Qtard: \\"In Biden's case, the issue is not one of concealing documents or defiance of requests to give them back to the government...\\ Oh, yes. :-)))))))))))))))

Why are you laughing (or fake laughing)? You think Joe Biden concealed documents and refused to give documents back? Proof?

Qtard: \\tRump STILL insists he was legally entitled to take them, which is false.\\ And what if court will find that there is NO crime in it?

What if the court finds there WAS a crime in it? Why would the court find tRump innocent? Isn't the US just like Nazi Germany (re your many past comments) and will listen to the public. Public who are chanting "Jews (aka donald tRump) are scum"?

So, donald tRump isn't going to be executed? I thought you were convinced that is going to be what happens? Now you admit you were BSing and execution isn't a possible outcome? Yes?

Anonymous said...

\\YOU called the US Founding Fathers "fathers founders". Yet it's ME that's stupid?

I am foreigner. So, it's impossible to understand such fine tuned differences.

But, you are free to explain to me -- how "fathers founders" is NOT "founding fathers".



\\So what? I have no obligation to ignore your stupidity.

Yeah. You have no obligation to notice your own stupidity.

Cause you are dumb log stooopid. :-))))))))))))))))))))))



\\BOTH. I never said Ukrainians are Nazis.

Yap-yap.

You only pointed to CNN article with Demn Propaganda where reporter goty bent itself in a pretcel to "prove" that "Ukrainians are Nazis".

Which in turn, was and still is... earlier Soviet Communist talking point and now are Putin's Poisonous Propaganda.



\\I cited articles that correctly pointed out that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis. A small (though not insignificant) number.

Bullshit.
That was error in translation. Deliberate. In accordance with Putin's Propaganda and Commie's of all world.

That Nazism -- it's Nationalism. While that is national-SOCIALISM.

Easy to see why they doing it -- to thrug off and to pass the blame. For all atrocities of national-SOCIALISM and Communism...

at their sworn enemies.



\\ Further proof of the absurdity of Putin's claims...

Yep.

Now your Demn Propaganda rebooted. And trying to erase that previous narrative -- of depicting Ukrainians as Nazis.

Yawn.



\\Which would be the only way what you wrote could be true.

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Said entity that cannot grasp what word "fact" even mean. ;-P



\\I used against you the FACT that you're a liar.

See... YET ONE example that that entity "cannot grasp what word "fact" even mean". ;-P



\\Qtard CLAIMS that "facts just is", but denies the fact that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis.

Cause it's illogical bullshit.

Nazis it's members of Nazi Germany Times party NSDAP. That was eliminated you know in result of which event.

That... that some people still use that as a label to call their sworn political enemies... do not make em one.



\\CNN acknowledged that fact.

No. They falsely claimed that words of one of Ukrainian soldier that he is Nationalist (or that Russian call em Nazis) means that he admits being Nazi.

Because. That is Demn Propaganda narrative CNN following and helps to spread -- that Ukrainians are Nazis -- that mean USA do not need to help Ukraine... even though there was Budapesht Memorandum, about help and protection in case of attack from nuclear-having country, Honest Word from USA in exchange for eliminating own Ukraine nuclear capabilities.

Utterly dishonest trick.



\\Qtard (the HUGE hypocrite and liar that he is) denies reality...

Aha... and you can prove it with REAL facts and sound logical inference?

Naah.

Cause you are liar, and BS talker.

Yawn.


Anonymous said...


\\I already did. NMP that you don't remember. Though I say you pretend not to remember. This is another aspect of your extreme dishonesty. You keep asking for the same information over and over. And PRETEND I never provided it over and over.

Cause what you "provided" is just "something something said by somebody-somebody"... (and you showed that you PERFECTLY understand what it means, but inclined to pretend that it doesn't matter -- that's why you are hypocrite -- cause hypocrite, that is one who trying to pretend ;-P)

Like HERE, IMMEDIATELY.

\\US rightwing figures in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation, experts say. ...

WHO that experts to me??? WHY I need to believe em???




\\...and echoed other Russian war disinformation have been recycled by Moscow, say experts. [The Guardian].

Yap.

Propaganda that Demns was deseminated for many-many years. So it spread its roots in a brains of people. And now they trying to use that Demn Propaganda against Demns itself.

Political games.

Yawn.



\\You're the one who brought it up.

*I* "brought up" Cold War times story.

There was NO Iran or North Korea having nukes THAT TIME.

But.

Because of "wise" political moves of Demn Party they have it. NOW.



\\ If not, then WHY did you bring up Chrome Dome?

Because you tryed to say that "USA NEVER threated anyone with Nukes".

Your Captain Obvious. ;-P




\\btw, I remember you claim to be a foreigner. I don't know how I could "remember" that claim being accurate when I have no way of knowing if you're lying or telling the truth.

Yap.

I got it. For sure.

That you do not discern False and Truth. ;-P




\\So, you think a threat of "don't do that or there will be consequences", followed by Russia doing it more...

Doing what???

Bombing out cities of USA?

As we all know -- it didn't happen. That means -- such counter-threats was GREAT SUCCESS.

And final results of it was stunning too -- USSR breaked out.

ONLY... you forgot to torn out poisonous fangs of that beast.

And now it reamerged.

HOW STOOOPID of you, USA.



\\And you only blame Democrats and excuse republicans because you are a huge hypocrite?

Because. Who are in charge??? NOW!!!

Man up, damn. Learn to take responsibility. Can ya?

Naah.

Cause you are miserly liar and hipocrite. Totalitarian wannabe. Who want to thrug off responsibility and to dissolve it in a crowd... crowd that would smash and thwart "dissidents".



\\What if the court finds there WAS a crime in it?

I want to read that verdict first -- on the base of what law, supported by which facts... and all that, responsible person should know to make own opinion about important matters. ;-P

While for such as you... I will not repeat your honorifics here, as you know em well enough, already... would suffice just some "expert said". :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Anonymous said...

No comments from Derpy, again. ;-P

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: I am foreigner. So, it's impossible to understand such fine tuned differences. But, you are free to explain to me -- how "fathers founders" is NOT "founding fathers".

How IS it?

Qtard: You only pointed to CNN article with Demn Propaganda where reporter goty bent itself in a pretcel to "prove" that "Ukrainians are Nazis".

Impossible. I could not (and cannot) point to a CNN article that doesn't exist.

Qtard: Which in turn, was and still is... earlier Soviet Communist talking point and now are Putin's Poisonous Propaganda.

Qtard doesn't know the difference between propaganda and facts. Why he frequently mixes them up.

Qtard: Bullshit. That was error in translation. Deliberate. In accordance with Putin's Propaganda and Commie's of all world. That Nazism -- it's Nationalism. While that is national-SOCIALISM.

Hitler took over the leadership of a pre-existing party. He wasn't a socialist. Under Hitler the Nazi party was not socialist. The defining characteristic of Nazism was/is antisemitism. Not socialism.

According to the latest edition of the Anti-Defamation League's Global 100 antisemitism index [5/31/2023], nearly a third of Ukrainians still agree with common antisemitic tropes and ideas. Jew-hatred in Ukraine declined from a record 46% index score in 2019 to 29% in 2023, "potentially driven in part by the popularity of the Jewish president, Volodymyr Zelensky"...

Yet Qtard claims that Ukraine is 100 percent free of any antisemitism? Or is only the Ukraine military that is 100 percent free of antisemitism?

Qtard: Easy to see why they doing it -- to thrug off and to pass the blame. For all atrocities of national-SOCIALISM and Communism...at their sworn enemies.

wtf does "thrug off" mean? Google says Showing results for "shrug off". There is no such thing as "thrug off". FYI, the atrocities (Holocaust?) were committed by the Nazis. The Nazi party was not socialist. Even though you capitalize "SOCIALISM", it doesn't make it so. Hitler hated communists. "Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf of his hatred towards what he believed were the world's twin evils, namely communism and Judaism".

When asked in a 1923 interview why Hitler called himself a National Socialist when the Nazi Party was "the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism", Hitler responded: "Socialism is the science of dealing with the common wealth. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists". Hitler was not a socialist. HIS OWN WORDS prove this.

Qtard: Now your Demn Propaganda rebooted. And trying to erase that previous narrative -- of depicting Ukrainians as Nazis.

Lie. Yawn.

Qtard: Said entity that cannot grasp what word "fact" even mean.

The entity that cannot grasp what the word "fact" means is Qtard.

Qtard: \\Qtard CLAIMS that "facts just is", but denies the fact that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis.\\Cause it's illogical bullshit.

It is a point-to-reality fact.

Qtard: Nazis it's members of Nazi Germany Times party NSDAP. That was eliminated you know in result of which event.

The party was eliminated. People identifying as Nazis (or neo-Nazis) was NOT eliminated.

Qtard: That... that some people still use that as a label to call their sworn political enemies... do not make em one.

We weren't discussing other people applying the label. We were discussing people applying that label TO THEMSELVES.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: \\CNN acknowledged that fact.\\ No. They falsely claimed that words of one of Ukrainian soldier that he is Nationalist (or that Russian call em Nazis) means that he admits being Nazi.

Previously you said he was joking. AGAIN you (after realizing your prior argument isn't working) switch to a new (still wrong) argument. And falsely claim that's what you've been arguing "all along". HOW could he be "joking" about something he didn't say (according to you)?

Qtard: Because. That is Demn Propaganda narrative CNN following and helps to spread -- that Ukrainians are Nazis...

Lie. There is no such "Demn propaganda narrative".

Qtard: ...that mean USA do not need to help Ukraine... Utterly dishonest trick.

Lie. Democrats are strongly in favor of helping Ukraine. It's republicans who are against helping Ukraine. Because it is republican propaganda (in agreement with Putin's propaganda) that Ukraine is run by Nazis. The "utterly dishonest trick" is Qtard's attempt to blame Democrats for what republicans are doing. SHAME!

Qtard: \\Qtard ... denies reality...\\Aha... and you can prove it with REAL facts and sound logical inference?

YES. Your blaming of Democrats for spreading Putin's propaganda. When it is provably republicans who are doing this.

Qtard: \\US rightwing figures in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation, experts say.\\WHO that experts to me??? WHY I need to believe em???

That "US rightwing figures are in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation" can be observed by ANYONE who pays attention and watches the news. Experts aren't even needed to discern this point-to-reality fact.

Qtard: Propaganda that Demns was deseminated for many-many years. So it spread its roots in a brains of people. And now they trying to use that Demn Propaganda against Demns itself.

Propaganda that republicans have disseminated for many years.

Qtard: There was NO Iran or North Korea having nukes THAT TIME. But. Because of "wise" political moves of Demn Party they have it. NOW.

Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons arsenal. Though now they're working toward it. Because of donald tRump. And apparently dotard donald wanted to start a nuclear war with North Korea.

As per a book by New York Times correspondent Michael Schmidt, tRump "cavalierly discussed the idea of using a nuclear weapon against North Korea, saying that if he took such an action, the administration could blame someone else for it to absolve itself of responsibility".

Qtard: \\btw, I remember you claim to be a foreigner. I don't know how I could "remember" that claim being accurate when I have no way of knowing if you're lying or telling the truth.\\ Yap. I got it. For sure. That you do not discern False and Truth.

I discerned that Qtard is a bigly liar. So ANY claim he makes should be considered more likely to be a lie than not.

Qtard: \\So, you think a threat of "don't do that or there will be consequences", followed by Russia doing it more...\\\Doing what??? Bombing out cities of USA?

Doing more building and stockpiling of nuclear weapons.

Qtard: As we all know -- it didn't happen. That means -- such counter-threats was GREAT SUCCESS.

Russia DID build and stockpile nuclear weapons. That means... such threats were a GREAT FAILURE.

Qtard: And final results of it was stunning too -- USSR breaked out.

"Gorbachev's decision to allow elections with a multi-party system and create a presidency for the Soviet Union began a slow process of democratization that eventually destabilized Communist control and contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union".

USSR did not collapse because the US threatened them with "give us a reason to bomb you out".

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

ONLY... you forgot to torn out poisonous fangs of that beast. And now it reamerged. HOW STOOOPID of you, USA.

How stupid of Qtard. To place all blame on Democrats because the US didn't puppet-master Russia into denuclearization. Or puppet-master North Korea into not obtaining nukes. While IGNORING the fact that dotard donald pulled us out of the JCPOA.

Qtard: Because. Who are in charge??? NOW!!!

Joe Biden isn't in charge of Putin. Though Putin is in charge of donald tRump.

Qtard: Man up, damn. Learn to take responsibility. Can ya? Naah.

"Learn" to agree with Qtard that ALL should be blamed on Democrats? No, I'm not going to "learn" that.

Qtard: Cause you are miserly liar and hipocrite. Totalitarian wannabe. Who want to thrug off responsibility and to dissolve it in a crowd... crowd that would smash and thwart "dissidents".

ONLY as per the qtarded redefinition of "totalitarian". If you agree with Locke re human rights and the right of revolution -- and are also a strong supporter of democracy -- then Qtard says you are a "totalitarian". It's his NewSpeak redefinition.

In the future all totalitarians (people like Qtard) will be defenders of human rights. Or say they are. While trying to undermine democracy by claiming overthrowing it is a "human right".

Qtard: I want to read that verdict first -- on the base of what law, supported by which facts...

Baloney. You've already decided a GUILTY verdict will be fraudulent. "Fair trial, my ass"... remember? Your words.

Qtard: ...and all that, responsible person should know to make own opinion about important matters.

I already know your opinion. If the verdict is guilty that means the US is just like Nazi Germany and that donald tRump is just like a Jew being sent to the gas chamber. You've articulated this idiocy many many times.

Qtard: While for such as you... I will not repeat your honorifics here, as you know em well enough, already...

I don't know wtf you're talking about. Ad hominem insults you like to fling?

Qtard: would suffice just some "expert said".

Of course I'm going to listen to experts. They have expertize I don't have. It's what smart people do. Why Qtard derides it so. He isn't smart. Qtard is dumb.

Qtard: No comments from Derpy, again.

Qtard is running away from the name he EARNED (and continues to earn with every comment). He should enter "Qtard" when he posts a comment. Instead of commenting as "anonymous". It's easy to tell who wrote the comment. Due to its qtardedness.

As much as you'd like to, you can't "thrug off" the nickname "Qtard".

Anonymous said...

\\how "fathers founders" is NOT "founding fathers".

\\How IS it?

Google knows. ;-P

Go ask HIM. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

That all-wise man.



\\Qtard doesn't know the difference between propaganda and facts. Why he frequently mixes them up.

And you can demonstrate that with proper quotes???

Naah. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Hitler took over the leadership of a pre-existing party. He wasn't a socialist. Under Hitler the Nazi party was not socialist. The defining characteristic of Nazism was/is antisemitism. Not socialism.

By whose opinion?

German worker was quite happy, by their own admission. THEY WAS READY to die, for that Socialistic PARADISE Hitler created for them.

And well... they liked and apploded to eradication of Jews too.
That is VERY socialistic... well, totalitarian which is synonim -- simple majority to decide it all... as Derpy-totalitarian-wannnabe would likem isn't it? ;-)



\\According to the latest edition of the Anti-Defamation League...


In November 2014, the organization announced that Jonathan Greenblatt, a former Silicon Valley tech executive and former Obama administration official

Demn structure spreading Demn Propaganda.

What a surprise. Not.


\\Jew-hatred in Ukraine declined from a record 46% index score in 2019 to 29% in 2023, "potentially driven in part by the popularity of the Jewish president, Volodymyr Zelensky"...

Yap.

Propaganda needed some tuning up, to the mood and need of the day, yes?.

SUCH THING cannot change that easily.

That is like claim "hatred of blacks dropped because of popularity of Black prezident"... but we know, that it do not work like that, isn't it?



\\Yet Qtard claims that Ukraine is 100 percent free of any antisemitism? Or is only the Ukraine military that is 100 percent free of antisemitism?

Do Israel itself "100 percent free of any antisemitism"?



\\FYI, the atrocities (Holocaust?) were committed by the Nazis. The Nazi party was not socialist.

Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History | Britannica
www.britannica.com › event › Nazism
Nazism, also spelled Naziism, in full National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in ...

And say that their INNER and OUTER politics was NOT that of Socialism/Communism???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism_(disambiguation)

Go. Educate yourself. ;-P



\\ Even though you capitalize "SOCIALISM", it doesn't make it so. Hitler hated communists.

Commies HATE all other commies. That is DEFINITIVE trait. ;-P

"There can be only one" TRUE SOCIALISM/Communism is their motto.



\\Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

YAP!

That is what ALL Commies DO SAY. "Only OUR Socialism/Communism are TRUE".

The same as ALL Religious Bonkers DO SAY. "Only OUR religion is TRUE".

Socialists/communists -- that is just a subtype of Religious Bonkers. ;-P

Anonymous said...


\\"I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists". Hitler was not a socialist. HIS OWN WORDS prove this.

Yeah... He was Uber Socialist. Uber alles. ;-P

That's why socialists of all of the World loathe him... while the same time secretly and hypocritically admire... his achivments.

That's why "nazi of the future will be calling themself ANTI-nazi" (tm)




\\The entity that cannot grasp what the word "fact" means is Qtard.

And you can base it... on something? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\It is a point-to-reality fact.

If that'll be "point-to-reality fact" -- it MUST be EASY for you to point to it.

Your Captain Obvious.

But... where is your facts??? Where is your quotes? Where is your links?

NONE.



\\The party was eliminated. People identifying as Nazis (or neo-Nazis) was NOT eliminated.

Eliminated. By death.



\\We were discussing people applying that label TO THEMSELVES.

And where do you see such idiots?



\\Previously you said he was joking.

That was my hunch. On the base of knowing current relation between Ukraine and Moscowia. Putin's Poisonous Propaganda calling fighters for Ukraine's freedom (of all times!!!) nazis and etc.
And... from time to time, Ukrainians do admit it. Like "yes, we are... fear us!". ;-P

But. That was just an educated guess. As there is NO recording. Or word to word transcription, for me to know in what context it was said.



\\HOW could he be "joking" about something he didn't say (according to you)?

That is ANOTHER my educated guess. As there was no recording or transcription. And I know that there is ambiguation between usage of word "nation", "national", "nationalist". In Ukraine. And in USA.
Which can be reason of "lost in translation".



\\Lie. There is no such "Demn propaganda narrative".

Yap. And "some Ukrainians are Nazis" that is YOUR OWN idea and experience. :-))))))))))))))))))



\\ It's republicans who are against helping Ukraine.

Yap.

Like that Republican senators who storming White House with demand to provide MORE weapon to Ukraine... and to which Demn inhabitant of WH showing strong reluctance... more than year already.

Go check it yourself -- HOW MUCH, how many weapon and materials was provided by that Land-Lease agreement Bi-den signed more then YEAR AGO, ALREADY.

THAT IS... stunning proof of how "Democrats are strongly in favor of helping Ukraine." NOT.

F-16 STILL not provided. While VERY needed. Especially in case of liliPut losing screws completely and trying to use Nukes against Ukraine -- THAT WOULD BE SOLE possibility to protect Ukrainians from Nuclear Holocaust -- F-16s.


\\The "utterly dishonest trick" is Qtard's attempt to blame Democrats for what republicans are doing. SHAME!

Yap.

And CNN secretly working for Reps, yes??? :-)))))))))))))))))



\\Propaganda that republicans have disseminated for many years.

Prove it. ;-P



\\Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons arsenal.

Just yet.



\\Because of donald tRump.

Aha... so that is dRump that signed with Crazy Iran Mullahs appeasing agreement -- which allowed em to contunue making Nukes???

Naah, dRump breaked that appeasing.



\\And apparently dotard donald wanted to start a nuclear war with North Korea.

Yeah. And for that he meet with Un... to "collude" with him, isn't it? :-))))))))))))))))))



\\I discerned that Qtard is a bigly liar. So ANY claim he makes should be considered more likely to be a lie than not.

That is your own problem. As you do not know LOGIC and disdain FACTS.

It's natural for you to be caught in own tenets of lies and stupidity. ;-P

Yawn.


Anonymous said...


\\Qtard: \\So, you think a threat of "don't do that or there will be consequences", followed by Russia doing it more...
\\\Doing what???Bombing out cities of USA?

\\Doing more building and stockpiling of nuclear weapons.

What is MORE dangerous???



\\Russia DID build and stockpile nuclear weapons. That means... such threats were a GREAT FAILURE.

So??? I'll unvail LOGIC behind this words... as you yourself INCAPABLE of doing that.

Do you mean that IF... there'd be NO threats of M.A.D. from USA toward USSR.

USSR, which was ruled by Commies, who sworn to spread their "socialistic revolution" to all of the World, to unite all of the World under "rule of proletariat", that just fought a bloody war they themself instigated and after it RENEWED preparation to very next wars... with using ALL POSSIBLE and available types of weapon (weapon they tested on their OWN soldiers EVEN).

Would be like... "yeah, USA do not threat US with Nukes anymore... let's stop all our preparations, and live in peace from now on".

Am I correct??? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Do you think Uncle Jo (USAians nickname for dictator Stalin) was Hippie????!!!! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Clearly, you can think that way... because U R IDIOT!!!! Clearly as day.



\\USSR did not collapse because the US threatened them with "give us a reason to bomb you out".

Yap.

U R IDIOT, to believe it was that way. ;-P



\\Qtard: Man up, damn. Learn to take responsibility. Can ya? Naah.

\\"Learn" to agree with Qtard that ALL should be blamed on Democrats? No, I'm not going to "learn" that.

And what did I said? You can't. :-))))))))))))))))))



\\ If you agree with Locke re human rights and the right of revolution -- and are also a strong supporter of democracy -- then Qtard says you are a "totalitarian". It's his NewSpeak redefinition.

Yap, "strong supporter of democracy" who screams "I *DO* deny..." em their Natural Rights. ;-P

That kind of NewSpeak.

You remember, I pointed to it in the very beginning -- how totalitarians of all of the world like to call themself "true democrats", isn't it? ;-P



\\In the future all totalitarians (people like Qtard) will be defenders of human rights. Or say they are.

That NEVER happened.

There is NO and there was NO totalitarian, despot, tyrant in all of the World and in all of historical times... that would give a lip-service to Human Rights.

They always pound on "human duties", "rule of law", "majority might". ;-P

And loathe, loathe, loathe the very idea of Human Rights, of Autonomy of People to decide for themself.

Well... you can give me Counter-Example, if you can.

But you will not. Because that is im-po-ssible. AND because U R IDIOT. AND because there is NO such thing -- Tyrant showing respect to Human Rights. Even if hypocritically.

That is disqualifing trait. Like for religious to say "there's no Gawd".



\\Baloney. You've already decided a GUILTY verdict will be fraudulent. "Fair trial, my ass"... remember? Your words.

Trully an idiot.

That is one of things lawyers can go to appeal court EVEN.



\\I already know your opinion. If the verdict is guilty that means the US is just like Nazi Germany and that donald tRump is just like a Jew being sent to the gas chamber. You've articulated this idiocy many many times.

That is... you OWN words.

And yet one demonstration what idiot you are and how it is impossible for you to understand historical analogies.

Yawn.



\\Ad hominem insults you like to fling?

Observations of your traits of an idiot?



\\Of course I'm going to listen to experts. They have expertize I don't have. It's what smart people do. Why Qtard derides it so. He isn't smart. Qtard is dumb.

Like you are one who have smarts to decide? About smarts of that "experts". Or me.

Naah.

Anonymous said...

No comments, De-Ru-Pi? :-)))

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: \\how "fathers founders" is NOT "founding fathers".\\How IS it?\\Google knows. That all-wise man.

Google is a man? Is his name "Bob Google"? Bob Google doesn't know that "fathers founders" is the same as "Founding Fathers"... because IT IS NOT. Bob Google is just guessing that if an FM enters "founders fathers" he might mean "Founding Fathers". That does not make them the same.

Qtard: \\Qtard doesn't know the difference between propaganda and facts. Why he frequently mixes them up.\\And you can demonstrate that with proper quotes??? Naah.

Why should I? You wrote that Global Climate Change (for example) is "propaganda". When it's something a majority of climate change scientists agree is happening. Why does Qtard keep forgetting BS he writes and asking me to provide quotes to remind him? Does Qtard suffer from short term memory loss? NMP.

Qtard: \\Hitler took over the leadership of a pre-existing party. He wasn't a socialist. Under Hitler the Nazi party was not socialist. The defining characteristic of Nazism was/is
antisemitism. Not socialism.\\By whose opinion?


The opinions of people who accept point-to-reality facts.

Qtard: German worker was quite happy, by their own admission.

I don't see any evidence of Qtard's claim being presented. In any case, if workers are happy... that's bad? Workers should be unhappy because they are underpaid and overworked? If workers can't afford the necessities of life that is awesome in Qtard's opinion?

Qtard: THEY WAS READY to die, for that Socialistic PARADISE Hitler created for them. And well... they liked and apploded to eradication of Jews too.

What "paradise"? Who "apploded" the killing of Jewish Germans? Was it 100 percent of non-Jewish Germans? What evidence can Qtard point to that backs up his sweeping claims?

Qtard: That is VERY socialistic... well, totalitarian which is synonim -- simple majority to decide it all... as Derpy-totalitarian-wannnabe would likem isn't it?

Totalitarian-wannabe and heinous liar Qtard is trying to flip the meanings of "democracy" and "totalitarianism". Under totalitarianism the leader (and not a majority) decides things. Totalitarian-wannabe Qtard believes the masses will more easily accept totalitarianism if he NewSpeaks its definition. Qtard likes Minus FJ's (non) joke that a president-for-life donald tRump (aka tRump as America's first dictator) would be great. Because seeing democracies fail makes totalitarian wannabes like Qtard very happy.

Qtard: \\According to the latest edition of the Anti-Defamation League...\\...Jonathan Greenblatt, a former... Obama administration official... Demn structure spreading Demn Propaganda.

Qtard fake-debunked the ADL info quickly. What a surprise. Not. Just point out that a Jewish person is a Democrat (when "7-in-10 Jewish adults identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party") and that immediately proves he's a spreading of "Demn propaganda". And (not incidentally) Qtard lies in this manner to downplay antisemitism. Shame!

Qtard: \\Jew-hatred in Ukraine declined from a record 46% index score in 2019 to 29% in 2023\\Yap. Propaganda needed some tuning up, to the mood and need of the day, yes? SUCH THING cannot change that easily.

But your claim is that antisemitism (in the Ukraine military, at least) is zero. It's "Putin's propaganda" for anyone to suggest that the number of antisemitic Ukrainian soldiers is greater than none. Like that's believable. Claim made without citing any source whatsoever too.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

btw, if it's Democrats who are spreading Putin's propaganda that Ukrainians are Nazis and antisemites, and, given that the ADL hired ex-Obama official Greenblatt to be their CEO, does that mean the ADL is aligned with Putin? If so, why would the ADL be saying "the Russian president and his government [have] escalated rhetoric falsely labeling the Ukrainian government and its leaders as Nazis". FALSELY, not "accurately".

Qtard: That is like claim "hatred of blacks dropped because of popularity of Black prezident"... but we know, that it do not work like that, isn't it?

How did Barack Obama get elected if White Democrats didn't vote for him? We know Obama's election made White republicans angry, but White Democrats supported him. I don't understand the point you think you're making here. White conservatives hate Obama. They hated him so much they elected an Orange White Supremacist in 2016. That proves there aren't any antisemitic self-identifying Nazis in the Ukrainian military? How?

Qtard: \\Qtard claims that Ukraine is 100% free of antisemitism? Or is only the Ukraine military that is 100% free of antisemitism?\\Do Israel itself "100% free of any antisemitism"?

Wouldn't it be "propaganda" to suggest it isn't?

Qtard: \\FYI, the atrocities (Holocaust?) were committed by the Nazis. The Nazi party was not socialist.\\Nazism [definition]. And say that their INNER and OUTER politics was NOT that of Socialism/Communism??? Go. Educate yourself.

Encyclopedia Britannica. Were the Nazis socialist? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. ... To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers' Party, but his primary -- indeed, sole -- focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. [Written by Michael Ray. Fact-checked by the editors of Encyclopedia Britannica].

Qtard: \\Even though you capitalize "SOCIALISM", it doesn't make it so. Hitler hated communists.\\Commies HATE all other commies. That is DEFINITIVE trait. "There can be only one" TRUE SOCIALISM/Communism is their motto ... That is what ALL Commies DO SAY. "Only OUR Socialism/Communism are TRUE".

So that explains why Cuba under Fidel Castro and the USSR under Nikita Khrushchev were allies? Each leader thought their country's form of Communism was the true one? FYI, "The biggest difference between them is that socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy, while communism depends on an authoritarian state to create an equal society that denies basic liberties".

Yet you keep writing "Socialism/Communism" as if they mean the same thing. When they do not.

Qtard: The same as ALL Religious Bonkers DO SAY. "Only OUR religion is TRUE". Socialists/communists -- that is just a subtype of Religious Bonkers.

Apparently Qtard has never heard the term "Godless Communist". Communists are atheists. How can they be "religious bonkers"?

Qtard: \\...Hitler was not a socialist...\\Yeah... He was Uber Socialist. Uber alles.

No.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

"National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936. ... Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. [Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda by David Klein, January 2011].

Qtard: That's why socialists of all of the World loathe him... while the same time secretly and hypocritically admire... his achivments.

Albert Einstein (or "Alber Einstain" as you call him) self-identified as a socialist. "Einstein's name was included on a Nazi death list with... $50,000 offered for his assassination". Yet Qtard thinks Albert Einstein secretly admired Hitler?

Qtard: That's why "nazi of the future will be calling themself ANTI-nazi"...

White Supremacists of the present (people like Minus FJ and Qtard) are calling themselves ANTI-White Supremacists.

Qtard: \\The entity that cannot grasp what the word "fact" means is Qtard.\\And you can base it... on something?

Just about everything Qtard writes. For example, Qtard's believing in Nazi propaganda about the Nazi party being socialist.

Qtard: \\It is a point-to-reality fact [that a small number of Ukrainian soldiers identify as Nazis].\\If that'll be "point-to-reality fact" -- it MUST be EASY for you to point to it.

Very easy. German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine
Soldiers
. ...images were shown of soldiers wearing combat helmets with SS insignia and swastikas.

Qtard: But... where is your facts??? Where is your quotes? Where is your links? NONE.

Lie. Yawn. Where are Qtard's facts? Where are Qtard's quotes? Where are Qtard's links? NONE.

Qtard: \\The party was eliminated. People identifying as Nazis (or neo-Nazis) was NOT eliminated.\\Eliminated. By death.

More adopted the ideology. People born after the original Nazis died.

Qtard: \\We were discussing people applying that label TO THEMSELVES.\\And where do you see such idiots?

All over the world.

Qtard: \\Previously you said he was joking.\\That was my hunch. On the base of knowing current relation between Ukraine and Moscowia.

"Hunch" = lie. That or Qtard just goes with his complete ignorance. Why bother looking into it and try to determine the truth? Just go with a "hunch". The "hunch" of an idiot.

Qtard: But. That was just an educated guess.

Uneducated guess.

Qtard: As there is NO recording. Or word to word transcription, for me to know in what context it was said.

Are there also no pictures? No, I see LOTS of pictures. Is there a context for "SS" that causes it to mean something else other than Nazi?

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: \\HOW could he be "joking" about something he didn't say...\\That is ANOTHER my educated guess.

Uneducated willfully ignorant guess.

Qtard: \\There is no such "Demn propaganda narrative".Yap. And "some Ukrainians are Nazis" that is YOUR OWN idea and experience.

Something I learned my own viewing of point-to-reality facts.

Qtard: ...Republican senators who storming White House with demand to provide MORE weapon to Ukraine.

Name them. Link to video or article (some proof) that they "stormed" the White House.

Qtard: ...and to which Demn inhabitant of WH showing strong reluctance... more than year already.

Joe Biden strongly supports helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian aggression. Ever since the conflict began and Zellinsky said Ukrainians would fight to defend their country. Joe Biden said that the United States would support them.

Qtard: Go check it yourself -- HOW MUCH, how many weapon and materials was provided by that Land-Lease agreement Bi-den signed more then YEAR AGO, ALREADY.

"We are prioritizing security assistance that they would not have to pay us back for" a senior administration official said [adding] that the administration is "certainly open to using it in the future". [But] The focus right now is on "other existing authorities that Congress has authorized". [One] reason for keeping Lend-Lease in the back pocket could be because there's currently bipartisan support for sending weapons to Ukraine. Should Republican resistance grow ... then it'd make sense to use Lend-Lease to work around legislative efforts to block future weapons deliveries, said a Democratic congressional aide..." [Link].

FYI, "land lease agreement" and "lend lease agreement" are totally different things. You wrote "land lease agreement". "Land lease" concerns leasing federal lands to oil companies for drilling. It has NOTHING to do with the war in Ukraine.

Qtard: THAT IS... stunning proof of how "Democrats are strongly in favor of helping Ukraine." NOT. F-16 STILL not provided. While VERY needed.

US and its allies plan to provide Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets. "Discussions about improving the Ukrainian air force reflect our long-term commitment to Ukraine's self-defense", the senior administration official said. [5/19/2023].

Qtard: Especially in case of liliPut losing screws completely and trying to use Nukes against Ukraine -- THAT WOULD BE SOLE possibility to protect Ukrainians from Nuclear Holocaust -- F-16s.

I'm not aware of Putin "trying to use Nukes against Ukraine". What stopped the "trying"? I know that (so far) Putin hasn't used any nukes.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: \\The "utterly dishonest trick" is Qtard's attempt to blame Democrats for what republicans are doing.\\And CNN secretly working for Reps, yes???

CNN doesn't work for any political party. CNN is a for-profit news organization. CNN did hold a town hall for donald tRump, however. So maybe they are "secretly" working for republicans?

Their reporting re Ukrainian soldiers self-identifying as Nazi doesn't have anything to do with that, however. That's straight reporting of point-to-reality facts. Facts that Qtard doesn't like.

Qtard: \\Propaganda that republicans have disseminated for many years.\\ Prove it.

I cannot prove TO YOU that fact. Because Qtard denies facts he does not like. If I provide facts Qtard will call them "propaganda". Or object to the words "according to experts". Because Qtard hates experts. At least the experts who disagree with what Qtard WANTS to believe.

Qtard: ...is dRump that signed with Crazy Iran Mullahs appeasing agreement -- which allowed em to contunue making Nukes??? Naah, dRump breaked that appeasing.

There was no appeasing agreement that "dRump breaked". donald tRump broke an agreement that stopped Iran from working toward developing nuclear weapons.

Qtard: \\...dotard donald wanted to start a nuclear war with North Korea.\\Yeah. And for that he meet with Un... to "collude" with him, isn't it?

donald tRump meet with Kim to be made a fool of. He was very successful in looking like a fool.

Qtard: ...you do not know LOGIC and disdain FACTS. It's natural for you to be caught in own tenets of lies and stupidity. Yawn.

Lies, stupidity and distaining facts are Qtard's tenants. And HIS problem, not mine.

Qtard: \\So, you think a threat of "don't do that or there will be consequences", followed by Russia doing it more...\\Doing what???Bombing out cities of USA? \\Doing more building and stockpiling of nuclear weapons.\\What is MORE dangerous???

Those aren't the only two choices.

After his reelection in 1984, President Ronald Reagan sat for an interview with Time magazine. “I just happen to believe that we cannot go into another generation with the world living under the threat of those weapons and knowing that some madman can push the button some place", he said. “My hope has been, and my dream, that we can get the Soviet Union to join us in starting verifiable reductions of the weapons. Once you start down that road, they've got to see how much better off we would both be if we got rid of them entirely". Link.

Qtard: \\Russia DID build and stockpile nuclear weapons. That means... such threats were a GREAT FAILURE.\\ So??? I'll unvail LOGIC behind this words... as you yourself INCAPABLE of
doing that.


Because we should have been working to reduce nuclear weapons. Ronald Reagan thought they could be eliminated. Qtard SAYS he worries about nuclear holocaust, but wants MORE nuclear weapons?

Qtard: Would be like... "yeah, USA do not threat US with Nukes anymore... let's stop all our preparations, and live in peace from now on".

Sounds like a good agreement. Qtard would say no? Because Qtard hates peace?

Qtard: Am I correct??

About what? Rejecting an offer to live in peace? No.

Qtard: Do you think Uncle Jo (USAians nickname for dictator Stalin)...

"USAians" never called Stalin "Uncle Jo". Google says: Joseph Stalin (1878–1953), Soviet leader, called "Uncle Joe" by Western media.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: Stalin was Hippie????!!!! :-)))))))))))))) Clearly, you can think that way... because U R IDIOT!!!! Clearly as day.

Strawman. I never said I think that Joseph Stalin was a hippy. The US dropped nukes on Japan. Reason why Stalin felt Russia needed nukes too. After that he wouldn't have agreed to not build a nuclear arsenal.

Qtard: \\USSR did not collapse because the US threatened them with "give us a reason to bomb you out".\\Yap. U R IDIOT, to believe it was that way.

You are an idiot to believe it wasn't that way.

Qtard: \\...Learn to take responsibility. Can ya? Naah.\\"Learn" to agree with Qtard that ALL should be blamed on Democrats? No...\\ And what did I said? You can't.

Man up and take responsibility for your lies, Qtard. I'm not taking responsibility for them. No way.

Qtard: \\If you agree with Locke re human rights and the right of revolution -- and are also a strong supporter of democracy -- then Qtard says you are a "totalitarian". It's his NewSpeak redefinition.\\Yap, "strong supporter of democracy" who screams "I *DO* deny..." em their Natural Rights.

I have never screamed Qtard's fake quote. As a STRONG supporter of natural rights, I NEVER will.

Qtard: That kind of NewSpeak.

No. A quote faked by Qtard isn't "NewSpeak" from me.

Qtard: You remember, I pointed to it in the very beginning -- how totalitarians of all of the world like to call themself "true democrats", isn't it?

Those totalitarian leaders always "win" their elections with an extremely high percentage of the vote. The 2020 election between Biden and tRump was a lot closer. And YOU said you were not saying Joe Biden was illegitimately elected. So wtf does your point have to do with what we are discussing? NOTHING.

Qtard: That NEVER happened. There is NO and there was NO totalitarian, despot, tyrant in all of the World and in all of historical times... that would give a lip-service to Human Rights.

It did happen. USSR signed the Helsinki Final Act of 1975. The Helsinki Final Act dealt with a variety of issues [including] human rights... freedom of emigration and reunification of families divided by international borders, cultural exchanges and freedom of the press. ... To follow the progress of the USSR in implementing the human rights stipulations established in the Act, human rights activists set up Helsinki Monitoring Groups in the Soviet Union and across Europe.

Qtard: Well... you can give me Counter-Example, if you can.

USSR signing the Helsinki Act.

Qtard: But you will not. Because that is im-po-ssible. AND because U R IDIOT. AND because there is NO such thing -- Tyrant showing respect to Human Rights. Even if hypocritically.

I did. Qtard claimed it was "im-po-ssible" because Qtard is an idiot.

Qtard: That is disqualifing trait. Like for religious to say "there's no Gawd".

Ask any religious person if there is a "gawd". The response will ALWAYS be NO, there is no "gawd". Because religious people believe in God. Or Gods. Not "gawd".

Qtard: \\Baloney. You've already decided a GUILTY verdict will be fraudulent. "Fair trial, my ass"... remember? Your words.\\Trully an idiot. That is one of things lawyers can go to appeal court EVEN.

Agreed. Qtard truly is an idiot. The trial won't be fair but the appeal will? How does that work?

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: \\I already know your opinion. If the verdict is guilty that means the US is just like Nazi Germany and that donald tRump is just like a Jew being sent to the gas chamber.\\ That is... you OWN words.

Accurate summary of Qtard's stupid words.

Qtard: And yet one demonstration what idiot you are and how it is impossible for you to understand historical analogies. Yawn.

I understand Qtard's ONE "historical analogy". donald tRump is a Jew and people trying to hold him accountable for his crimes are Nazis. No doubt you will cite this "historical analogy" many many more times. MANY. Yawn.

Qtard: \\Ad hominem insults you like to fling?\\Observations of your traits of an idiot?

Qtard's "observations" prove HIS idiocy. Like his "observation" that my strong support for democracy and opposition to overthrowing it "proves" I am a "totalitarian wannabe".

Qtard: \Like you are one who have smarts to decide? About smarts of that "experts". Or me.

I do.

Joe Conservative said...

National Socialism" includes the word "socialism", but it is just a word. Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism, and executed socialists and communists en masse, even before they started rounding up Jews. In 1933, the Dachau concentration camp held socialists and leftists exclusively. The Nazis arrested more than 11,000 Germans for "illegal socialist activity" in 1936. ... Nazism is a right wing ideology. It is violently racist, anti-socialist, and it targets the political left for extermination. [Hitler, Nazis, Socialism, and Rightwing Propaganda by David Klein, January 2011].

Hitler WAS a Commie. He'd do or say ANYTHING to achieve POWER. Just like Democrats.

Anonymous said...

Huh... only, Commies EVEN WORSE then Nazis.



\\ You wrote that Global Climate Change (for example) is "propaganda". When it's something a majority of climate change scientists agree is happening.

Because... that is not some scientist talking about it.
That is one political party rised it on its banner and trying to make political profit out of it.
And almost all scientifical points (like need to develop more precise climate models) was eradicated.
Because... NO FUTHER researches needed. Demns ALREADY know all Truth.
Just like any other Religious Bonkers.

THAT IS... NOT Science.

Your Captain Obvious.




\\if workers are happy... that's bad?

If German man happy from having new purse made from skin of a Jew, and his spouse happy from having new soap made out of Jewish children... what's bad in it, really? ;-P



\\What evidence can Qtard point to that backs up his sweeping claims?

Historical facts.

Germans in a WW2 was fighting to the very bitter end. Even sending young boys and old farts.

That is... damn big evidance, of HOW MUCH, HOW STRONG was their conviction, isn't it?




\\Totalitarian-wannabe and heinous liar Qtard is trying to flip the meanings of "democracy" and "totalitarianism". Under totalitarianism the leader (and not a majority) decides things.

Naah. Totalitarian leader "decides" only that much, while it keeps happy Majority. Majority, toward which he spreads propaganda that only Majority opinion is only just and true... and NO NEED to listen to ANY other opinions.

Does it rings the bell? ;-P



\\Just point out that a Jewish person is a Democrat

Not just ANY Democrat.

0-bama's official! And prezident for life, of that... institution.
To which EVEN Jews themself have questions. ;-P



\\But your claim is that antisemitism (in the Ukraine military, at least) is zero.

Well... Ukrainians are political nation. Which consist of many different ethnic minorities. Which are not destinguished as being "others".
As Blacks or Hispanics in USA, for example.

And Jews was living among Ukrainians FOR MUCH longer then that Blacks and Hispanics in USA.



\\It's "Putin's propaganda" for anyone to suggest that the number of antisemitic Ukrainian soldiers is greater than none.

Yes, it it.



\\Like that's believable.

Yes. That's EXACTLY what Propaganda doing -- taking some makebe true or realistic problem/issue/case and pumping it up to homeric levels.


\\Claim made without citing any source whatsoever too.

Reality itself... is not the Source???

Ah, yes... only babbling somebody-somebody from Demn sources is THE Source of Truth, isn't it De-Ru-Pi? The Religious Bonker. :-)))))))))))))



\\Qtard: That is like claim "hatred of blacks dropped because of popularity of Black prezident"... but we know, that it do not work like that, isn't it?

\\I don't understand the point you think you're making here. White conservatives hate Obama. They hated him so much they elected an Orange White Supremacist in 2016.

But. Your words showing that you PERFECTLY understand. ;-P



\\Do Israel itself "100% free of any antisemitism"?

\\Wouldn't it be "propaganda" to suggest it isn't?

Depend on definition. ;-)


Anonymous said...


\\Encyclopedia Britannica. Were the Nazis socialist? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. ... [Written by Michael Ray. Fact-checked by the editors of Encyclopedia Britannica].

Nationalisation of industry. Preferences for workers. Domination of the state in cultiral and public spheres. And even up to birth control.

ISN'T that is brand SOCIALISTIC ideals and policies???

And let me quess... that Ray -- can be... socialist? ;-P



\\So that explains why Cuba under Fidel Castro and the USSR under Nikita Khrushchev were allies?

Allies????

Or trying to use each other dictators???



\\FYI, "The biggest difference between them is that socialism is compatible with liberty and democracy, while communism depends on an authoritarian state to create an equal society that denies basic liberties".

Yap-yap-yap. :-)))))))))))))

And let me guess... that this quote... is from Socialist, isn't it? ;-P


\\Yet you keep writing "Socialism/Communism" as if they mean the same thing. When they do not.

Show me Socialism that DO NOT want to became Commie. ;-P

No... not one which circumstances of place and time DO NOT ALLOW it.

But one who trully DO NOT want, do not have that Socialistic ideals:
of nationalisation of industry, control over society, proliferation of Socialism over ALL World?

Go give me AT LEAST ONE example. ;-P

Socialists called Socialists BECAUSE they want Socialistic Policies be introduced.

And that is THE SAME policies Communists HAVE HAD introduced. In that states they have ruled over.

And effect was -- totally devastating. (Like Mao's in China)



\\Apparently Qtard has never heard the term "Godless Communist". Communists are atheists. How can they be "religious bonkers"?

Hallo, Stupid. There is MANY different religions. And each one teaches to dispise other religions.

So, Commies established Just New Religious Cult... Cult of living "saints" Lenin/Stalin/etc.

OF COURSE... they was "antireligious". The need to be. Toward all other cults/religions.

The same way as Christians cannot hep it -- to dispise Barbaric Heathens.



\\Qtard: \\...Hitler was not a socialist...\\Yeah... He was Uber Socialist. Uber alles.

\\No.

Ough Coughs... Hitler DID NOT wanted to conquer ALL of the World.
He just wanted to frolic on the lavns in Paris and London... but that nasty French and Brits was bad with to him... that's why he was forced to start a war... though he never wanted, yes, Wisest of Wise De-Ru-Pun??? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Very easy. German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine
Soldiers. ...images were shown of soldiers wearing combat helmets with SS insignia and swastikas.

Yap.

It's very easy for Putin Propaganda sucker to give links on Putin'd Propaganda.

I get it. Trully.

Yawn.

For you to not cry that I dismiss your "facts".

By that link itself... it is not NBCs own report... it was taken from "German ZDF"... which in a step, was taken from some "Norvegian" source...
and that all in September of 2014 when Putin's Propaganda was on a sprea of spreading anti-Ukrainian BS. About Ukrainiains being Nazis and Antisemites especially.

VERY credible, and non-propaganda "sources". Ough, Yeah! :-)))))))))))))



Anonymous said...

\\More adopted the ideology. People born after the original Nazis died.

Was it ideology, that was problem with Nazis???

And not their DEEDS??? Not a system united with whole state? Waging war to all world?

And war and war crimes that happened. THAT was NOT the main problem???

Ideology. A "thought crime". Was the problem.

Yes?



\\All over the world.

But... you are talking about "Nazism in Ukraine".

As most important and nagging problem???



\\Is there a context for "SS" that causes it to mean something else other than Nazi?

SS
Abbreviation of Saints.
Initialism of social security.
Initialism of spousal support.
(nautical) A shiptype
Initialism of steam ship.
Synonyms: S/S, S.S., S. S., S./S.
Hyponyms: PS, TS
Coordinate terms: SV, MV, MS
Initialism of screw steamer. (a screw-driven steamship)
Coordinate term: PS
(US, Navy) Initialism of subsurface, a subsurface ship, a submarine
Coordinate terms: SSN, SSK, SSB, SSG, SSKN, SSBN, SSGN, APSS, LPSS
A conventionally-powered submarine
Coordinate terms: SSK, SSB, SSG
diesel-powered attack submarine
Synonym: SSK
(military, astronautics) NATO prefix-code for surface-to-surface missile systems developed by the Soviet Union
(baseball) Initialism of shortstop.
(computing) Initialism of screenshot.
(statistics) Initialism of sum of squares.
Initialism of Segawa syndrome.
(textiles) Initialism of side seam.





\\Something I learned my own viewing of point-to-reality facts.

Some non-facts, deseminated by CNN propagandists, slurping from Putin's Propaganda sources.

And well... how you COULD know some facts... if you showed that you do not UNDERSTAND what facts is... even after definition (from dictionary) provideed and explained MANY TIMES. :-)))))))))))))))))))))



\\ Joe Biden said that the United States would support them.

Like... with sending best wishes? :-)))))))))))))




\\Qtard: THAT IS... stunning proof of how "Democrats are strongly in favor of helping Ukraine." NOT. F-16 STILL not provided. While VERY needed.

\\US and its allies plan to provide Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets.

It sounds like... "US and its allies plan... for some more women and children of Ukraine to die, from terroristic attacks... maybe with some nuclear or chemical weapon to boot... to decide that 'that is the moment' for your help to be needed the most", yes?



\\THAT WOULD BE SOLE possibility to protect Ukrainians from Nuclear Holocaust -- F-16s.

\\I'm not aware of Putin "trying to use Nukes against Ukraine". What stopped the "trying"? I know that (so far) Putin hasn't used any nukes.

With that... you JUST CONFIRMED said above -- that "USA and allies" just wait FOR MORE attrocities and war crimes in Ukraine being commited by liliPut...



\\Their reporting re Ukrainian soldiers self-identifying as Nazi doesn't have anything to do with that, however. That's straight reporting of point-to-reality facts. Facts that Qtard doesn't like.

Then... where is sound recording??? Or vodeo flik?

From whioch I would be able to know for myself AS FACT... that there was NO errors in reporting of that CNN brat???

Well... there SHOULD be MANY of them, of such recordings.

Moscovia would spread and point to em NON-STOP.

If there'd be such facts.

As it doing CONSTANTLY.

WHY??? I don't see anything like that?

Maybe, just maybe, that is all just a plain and simeple PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT? ;-)


Anonymous said...


\\Qtard: \\Propaganda that republicans have disseminated for many years.\\ Prove it.

\\I cannot prove TO YOU that fact. Because Qtard denies facts he does not like. If I provide facts Qtard will call them "propaganda". Or object to the words "according to experts". Because Qtard hates experts. At least the experts who disagree with what Qtard WANTS to believe.

Yap.

With that you CONFIRMED. That you have NO facts.

Only Propaganda Bullshit in your sleaw.

Yawn.



\\donald tRump broke an agreement that stopped Iran from working toward developing nuclear weapons.

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\donald tRump meet with Kim to be made a fool of. He was very successful in looking like a fool.

Here. I *DO* agree. 100%!!!!

But, who's problem is that?

Certainly not my. As I am just some foreigner, not involved in USA politics.

Yawn.



\\Because we should have been working to reduce nuclear weapons. Ronald Reagan thought they could be eliminated. Qtard SAYS he worries about nuclear holocaust, but wants MORE nuclear weapons?

Well... after that Ray-Gun.

There was 8 years of Clinton. The Demn. And after that 0-bama. The Demn.

WHERE's your progress????

I only see MORE nuclear weapon in the World. And more countries have it.
And more nuclear treats waged.

Maybe, just maybe... that was IDIOTIC policy? ;-P

"to reduce nuclear weapons"... without threating "we'd bomb you out... if you'd not do"?



\\Qtard: Would be like... "yeah, USA do not threat US with Nukes anymore... let's stop all our preparations, and live in peace from now on".

\\Sounds like a good agreement. Qtard would say no? Because Qtard hates peace?

I hate Idiocy.
No... actually, I do not hat it.

I just, pointly, and on base of FACTS of reality -- show that it DEADLY.
Deadliest of things, actually. :-((((((((((((((((




\\\\Yap, "strong supporter of democracy" who screams "I *DO* deny..." em their Natural Rights.

\\I have never screamed Qtard's fake quote. As a STRONG supporter of natural rights, I NEVER will.

Yap. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Qtard: That NEVER happened. There is NO and there was NO totalitarian, despot, tyrant in all of the World and in all of historical times... that would give a lip-service to Human Rights.

\\It did happen. USSR signed the Helsinki Final Act of 1975.


Was they babbling about it to their people inside country?

THEY NOT.

They started calling "dissident" and put em in jails and even psychiatric asylums... those who have ready about that Act, and started to demand USSR bonzas to behave in accordance with it.



\\The trial won't be fair but the appeal will? How does that work?

Go educate... itself.

You... who once called itself "honorary and destinguished judge".

What a travesty. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Qtard: \Like you are one who have smarts to decide? About smarts of that "experts". Or me.

\\I do.

Yap.

You such a funny... funny with ya brain, fellow. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard: But... you are talking about "Nazism in Ukraine". As most important and nagging problem???

No. I never did. White Supremacism/Nazism is a worldwide problem. I have never said it was only a problem in Ukraine.

Educate yourself, Qtard!

The Azov Battalion... Inside Ukraine's White Supremacist Militia.

Seriously though, I don't think Qtard needs to education himself. He knows. He denies it because "Nazis in the future will call themselves anti-Nazi". As Qtard has acknowledged is as Qtard does.

btw, I NEVER called myself "honorary and destinguished judge". NEVER EVER. You LIE, Qtard.

I wrote: "The trial won't be fair but the appeal will? How does that work?"

Qtard dodged by writing "Go educate... itself". Dodged because he realized his assertion that a FIXED verdict could be overcome via an appeal... was stoooopid.

Anonymous said...

\\No. I never did. White Supremacism/Nazism is a worldwide problem. I have never said it was only a problem in Ukraine.

Oh, yes???

Then... it should not be a problem, to give a quote from your babbling here in almost a year... where'd you mentioned Nazis in espect to ANY OTHER country. ;-P

But... there is NONE.

Because for Totalitarian Wannabe Derpy Nazis is not a problem. He just tryed to use it for victim blaming Ukraine... exactly what totalitarian liliPut doing through its Poisonous Propaganda... and a totalitarian wannnabe supports.



\\The Azov Battalion... Inside Ukraine's White Supremacist Militia.

I know that there is no such word as "supremacist" in Russian/Ukrainian.

It means, that that Victim Blaming and Nazi Labeling. Yawn.

And... "Azov batallion" -- it's part of Ukrainian Army. NOT militia.

AGAIN... you spreading liliPut's Propaganda here.

So much for "I always was saying that it's Putin who are agressor and war criminal". :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\btw, I NEVER called myself "honorary and destinguished judge". NEVER EVER. You LIE, Qtard.

Using such words in a blog's nickname its "not nameing... itself"??? Oh, yeah. :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))



\\Dodged because he realized his assertion that a FIXED verdict could be overcome via an appeal... was stoooopid.

And what that "FIXED verdict" mean???

Some cangaroo court verdict Derpy likes?

Or maybe some Linch trial "verdict"?

Well, yes... if you are hanged on a closest tree... you'd not be able to state your appeal. And that way your verdict would be "fixed".

Isn't it, Totalitarian Wannabe Derpy? ;-P


Dervish Sanders said...

No.

Anonymous said...

Trying to cosplay Mr.No, Derpy? :-)))))))))))))))))

Anonymous said...

Dodgy Derpy runned away ahain. :-)))))))))))))))

Dervish Sanders said...

I have never "runned away ahain".

I also never used "such words in a blog's nickname". Those exact words were ONLY used by Qtard. I never used them.

Qtard is a heinous liar.

Anonymous said...

Derpy throwing verbal shit at opponent -- like that dirty monkey -- just to not answer to a smart questions... because it knows too damn well, how stoooopid it is. ;-P

Dervish Sanders said...

Qtard's questions are idiotic. Because Qtard is an idiot.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Qtard silently agreed that IT is an idiot.

Joe Conservative said...

No, he's doing the intelligent thing by not trying to resurrect 8 month old arguments.