Sunday, June 27, 2021

Education's "Noble Lie"

43 comments:

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Charles Murray is a racist. Interviewer has a White Supremacist haircut. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Joe Conservative said...

All white people are racist, ergo all haircuts white people have white supremacists haircuts. Coincidence? Or just faulty logic.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

All White people aren't racist. Pretending your opponents' arguments as absurd makes it easier for you to "refute" them. If you believe your strawman arguments are valid that is bigly faulty logic.

Joe Conservative said...

You should "note to self" then.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No need. I figured out a long time ago that utilizing the strawman bigly is your MO.

Joe Conservative said...

lol! Your RNC racial bias strawman is killer.

Joe Conservative said...

...and your statement that Charles Murray is a racist is patently absurd and meant to divert from the topic of this post, which you failed to address because it's true.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

That Charles Murray is a racist isn't a diversion. It's central to the conversation. You want to divert the conversation from this fact because it's true. And it explains the motivations behind the policy changes he recommends :P

Joe Conservative said...

You don't need an IQ test to implement a racist's policies, you simply need to know the melanin content of their epidermis.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Because (generally speaking) Blacks aren't as smart as Whites (according to you). So, yes (according to you) that would be a fairly accurate test (dark skin = lower IQ). Though, as per a prior conversation, you believe there are plenty of stupid Whites as well. A better indication of low IQ would probably be (according to you) the economic status of the parents as well as skin color. AKA poor White kids are likely to have low IQs and poor Black kids are likely to have similarly low (or even lower) IQs.

Joe Conservative said...

Skin colour tells you absolutely nothing about an individual's IQ. It merely gives you the "average" for that skin colour. And I know and work with lots of black men who are MUCH smarter than me.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

What about skin color? As for skin "colour" telling you absolutely nothing. The average is absolutely nothing? Or is it something? Also, there are people smarter than you? Who knew?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You aren't literate, are you. It tells you nothing about an individual's IQ. The group IQ for whites, 100, tells you nothing about my IQ. A black group IQ of 85 tells you nothing about an individual black man's IQ, that could be 160 or 50. That's why MLK said that you should judge a man by the content of his character and not the colour of his skin.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No, I'm not literate. I have a helper who reads your blog posts to me, then types in my orally dictated reply. I do look at the pictures and watch the videos though :)

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Good, watch this and then scream how racist Charles Murray is with a straight face...

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Because he's talking to a Black guy?

"I'm not really worried about the White Supremacists and the White Nationalists. I'm worried about all the working class and middle class Whites ... who can't turn onto the teevee without hearing another reference to the fact that they are bad people. That they have White privilege, that they are the cause of Black's problems ... an awful lot of people are angered by this...".

Racists like Charles Murray (and you) love it when they find smart Black people who buy into their BS. If he's so worried, why is he helping sell the BS narrative that White rage is justified (or understandable) because Whites are under attack?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Is that why the Left hates smart black people?

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No, it's why the Right hates them. Most Black intellectuals (who have a platform and advocate for one political party over the other) support the Democratic Party.

Joe Conservative said...

Do they? Or have they merely been proclaimed "intellectuals" by the white power elites out of a lack of critical thought?

Evil comes from a failure to think. It defies thought for as soon as thought tries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises and principles from which it originates, it is frustrated because it finds nothing there. That is the banality of evil.

- Hannah Arendt, "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil"

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

It isn't evil to acknowledge a problem and work to fix it. Crafting lies to sell your narrative might be critical to preserving White Supremacy (for as long as you are able) but the rest of us consider what you're doing to be the true evil. If Charles Murray were honestly concerned (as he states in the video) he'd work to dispel these lies instead of promulgating them.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Black average IQ matches white averages? White average AQs match black averages? Who knew?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...certainly NOT Charles Murray.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

There's still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes. (excerpt) ...there is a gap between black IQ scores and white IQ scores [and] IQ is at least partly heritable (as is almost every human trait) [but the authors of the linked to article who are are academic psychologists who have studied human intelligence] reject the conclusion that Murray and Harris say is virtually inescapable -- that it follows that the black-white difference in IQ must be partly genetic.

... The central issue at stake is whether the black-white IQ gap is partially genetically determined. We believe there is currently no strong evidence to support this conclusion, whereas Murray presents it as a near certainty ... there is, in fact, good reason to believe that improving children's environments will improve their cognitive skills [and the solution is public policy that raises children out of poverty].

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Ignoring all the twins studies proving genetic linkages isn't very scientific.... jes sayin'.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

That explains why Black people are so dumb? They're all twins? Clearly that is why they all look alike too.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Twins are just dumber because they're discriminated against by undiscerning mothers...

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

o.824 = upper bound for IQ heretability.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Has science identified the dumb Black gene?

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Your science lesson of the day.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Your link: Other studies have examined variations across the entire genomes of many people (an approach called genome-wide association studies or GWAS) to determine whether any specific areas of the genome are associated with IQ. These studies have not conclusively identified any genes that have major roles in differences in intelligence. It is likely that a large number of genes are involved, each of which makes only a small contribution to a person's intelligence.

Intelligence is also strongly influenced by the environment. Factors related to a child's home environment and parenting, education and availability of learning resources, and nutrition, among others, all contribute to intelligence. [end excerpt]

Charles Murray: "...if there is one lesson that we have learned from the last 70 years of social policy, it is that changing environments in ways that produce measurable results is really, really hard and we actually don't know how to do it, no matter how much money we spend. ... Does that mean that if only you can jack up artificially the environment you're going to make much difference in the child's IQ? And the answer to that is: Not long term".

i.e. government programs designed to lift children out of poverty are a waste of money and shouldn't be pursued. Murray is wrong. It isn't race but childhood poverty that affects IQ and fighting childhood poverty is something that we be using social policy to combat.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Except that Murray has shown that when taking socio-economic status into account, the racial IQ gap persists. So much for the socio-economic explanation. Rich white kids still perform 1 SD over rich black kids.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

The reason is that testing is racially biased. We need to BOTH lift children out of poverty and reform testing to remove racial bias. The racist Murray wants to do nothing because (he says) Black people are genetically less intelligent (on average) and there is nothing we can do about that "fact". This is false.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

lol! IQ tests have been scrubbed for racial bias for over 50 years. No measurable reduction in the IQ gap was achieved.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

You one of the few people I know still awaiting boxing "great White Hope".

He ain't comin'.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

No. But I don't expect you'll ever let go of this lie, given that it justifies your White Supremacist beliefs. Also, I am not a fan of boxing.

Joe Conservative said...

You're the one submerged in a fantasy world filled with systemically racist oppressors and oppressed, not me. :)

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

You're the one submerged in a fantasy world where there are no systemically racist oppressors and oppressed, not me. :)

Joe Conservative said...

Wouldn't you LOVE to live in my world! lol!

Joe Conservative said...

Sounds like we want the same things, only you're too stupid to realize that the race is over and that we already won. As they say in engineering, "Better is the enemy of good enough".

Joe Conservative said...

...but if you must persist in beating a dead horse, do it where the rest of us don't get splattered from your needless whipping.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Bigly LOL! You're too stupid to realize that the race is over and that WE already won. The American People rejected your White Supremacist leader. fyi, I would not love to suffer from the same delusions as you do or be unable to stop beating the dead horse you can't stop whipping.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Your delusional race fetish is your cross to bear, not mine.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...but hey, repress the truth of Black averaae IQ's all you want in your own head. Don't try and convince the non-fetishists.