Tuesday, June 18, 2024

Is Ukraine a Suicide Cult? Is America?

Alexander G. Markovsky,"Ukraine’s Suicidal Nationalism"
In a speech delivered on August 1, 1991, in Kiev, President George H.W. Bush urged Ukraine to consider risks associated with independence. He delivered a clear warning to Ukraine, stating that “…. freedom is not the same as independence. Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred.”

The President’s warnings fell on deaf ears. Ukrainian leaders were not pursuing national interests. Instead, they were motivated by unfounded hostility toward Russia. The outcome proved catastrophic.

On August 24, 1991, Ukraine, driven by “suicidal nationalism,” seized the opportunity presented by the impending collapse of the Soviet Union to proclaim its independence. Once the excitement and promises of democracy and prosperity faded, the Ukrainian people, who had never experienced self-governance, were confronted with the harsh realities of governing a nation. Subsequently, despite impressive resources, Ukraine failed economically and politically.

Ukraine inherited one of the world’s largest agricultural and industrial bases from the Soviet Union. It used to be called a breadbasket of Europe. Its economy produced airplanes, ships, locomotives, turbines for hydropower plants, electrical motors and transformers, and a vast assortment of consumer goods. Donbas coal mines were a major supplier of the Soviet Union’s steel mills and power plants. Additionally, Ukraine manufactured various military hardware, such as tanks, missiles, and jet fighters. With a well-educated population, Ukraine could have become one of Europe’s economic powerhouses.

Unfortunately, Ukrainian leaders either failed to grasp or intentionally ignored that the Ukrainian economy was closely intertwined with the Soviet Union’s economy. Therefore, Russia was a natural, or rather the only, market for Ukrainian goods and services. Despite this, Ukraine abandoned Russian markets and aligned with the European Union. It was an absurd idea, as it would necessitate a significant overhaul of the Ukrainian economy to comply with European regulations and standards. Such a massive endeavor would require both time and substantial financial resources.

In the end, the EU displayed no interest in Ukrainian products. Consequently, Ukraine lost the Russian market, and the economy crumbled. Ukraine was no longer able to sustain itself, and its entire existence relied on foreign aid, ultimately resulting in Ukraine losing sovereignty and becoming a pawn of foreign interests.

In no other area did “suicidal nationalism” manifest itself as severely as in the realm of domestic policy, which eventually contributed to the ongoing conflict.

After the chaotic collapse of the Soviet Union, Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, where most residents were Russians, fell under Ukrainian jurisdiction. The sentiments towards Russia in these regions, varying from acknowledging Russian as an official language to seeking complete autonomy from Ukraine, have been ingrained in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. These emotions were further solidified by the removal of Ukraine's pro-Moscow, democratically elected president Yanukovych in a coup d'Γ©tat that the United States sponsored in 2014.

Kiev could accept a limited autonomy for the belligerent East, similar to the American states, which it demanded from the outset, and avoid a bloody conflict altogether. But newly elected president Petro Poroshenko ignored President Bush’s warning not to “… seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism.” Instead, it elected to use military force to subdue the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. It has been shelling Donbas, including the use of artillery supplied by America, destroying the cities, and killing thousands of civilians indiscriminately for years (something the Western media ignores entirely). This “suicidal nationalism” was one of the reasons behind Russia’s eventual annexation of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

In foreign affairs, “suicidal nationalism” also overrode national interests. Ukraine’s pursuit of NATO membership, ostensibly for security reasons, disregarded Russia’s repeated warnings over the past three decades about the existential threat of NATO’s eastward expansion. The push for Ukraine to become a member of NATO would not and could not ensure Ukraine’s security. Instead, the effort has put Ukraine in mortal danger for breaching the terms of the 1997 Treaty on Friendship between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, which explicitly stipulated Ukrainian neutrality (section 6, page 148).

Ukraine’s unwavering pursuit of NATO membership, fueled by political inexperience, recklessness, and a heavy reliance on foreign aid, was an illusory goal that served no national purpose and tragically led to a preventable war. By now, it is self-evident that the pursuit of NATO membership resembles chasing a mechanical rabbit (video here). Yet Zelensky and Co. still do not realize that their tireless endeavors and sacrifices have been in vain, as NATO membership has never been an attainable reality. For obvious reasons, NATO members, unlike Ukraine, want to avoid direct confrontation with Russia.

Indeed, even Ukraine’s strongest supporters cannot escape the fact that during the thirty years after declaring independence, it has failed to produce any notable accomplishments. On the contrary, inept Ukrainian leaders have plundered most of the resources they inherited from the Soviet Union, exacerbated internal incompatibilities, and incited an unnecessary war with Russia, the ravages of which continue to erode the remaining fragments of its once-thriving heritage.

In the annals of history, it would be difficult to name another instance where a nation consistently made decisions detrimental to its own national interest, ultimately leading to self-destructive outcomes. As this dysfunctional and corrupt failed state crumbles, there is a haunting fear that Ukraine will be left a wasteland for future generations. Konrad Adenauer’s words, “History is the sum of things that could have been avoided,” ring so especially true for Ukraine.

24 comments:

Rattrapper said...

We have no business meddling with Ukraine. Joey Bidet steered Ukraine to further disaster with the underhanded deals he struck. It's not going to go well for us either.

Anonymous said...

\\Alexander G. Markovsky

Yet one Putin's Useful Idiot???

Or just liliPut want to "win" so much -- that unloading waterfalls of cash just on anyone, who'd help it to facilitate that "victory"... over that miserly and powerless Ukraine... it gonna be winner "in three days to Kiev"... but still UNABLE.

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Isn't it funny??? Funny as hell. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

That extents to which it can fall... to snatch that "victory"???

USA -- you can LEARN from it -- how TRUE empires behave.

They FIGHT to the teeth and nails.

Not like your half-assed "democratic conquest"... that threads in disaster. ;-P

Anonymous said...

\\Unfortunately, Ukrainian leaders either failed to grasp or intentionally ignored that the Ukrainian economy was closely intertwined with the Soviet Union’s economy.

Just one fact. In 1991, financial system was based on Soviet Rubles and GOSPLAN.

Means... all money was situated in Mos-cow.

And guess... what Russian Federation DID??? After proclaiming own "independence"?

Yes. They declared that Soviet Rubles (and all money on accounts in Mos-cow bank) -- ARE THEIRs ONLY.

Yeah... "intertwined". As South slave-masters of America... and their slaves.

Joe Conservative said...

There is no "purity" argument here. The point is that untangling the intertwined economies of Russia and Ukraine would take take, and Ukrainian people and politicians became "impatient"... just like w/America's "freeing of the slaves". It's been 159 years and we're "still at it".

Joe Conservative said...

erratum...take "time".

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Minus (post title): Is Ukraine a Suicide Cult? Is America?

trumpers belong to a death cult. trumpers willingly went to the grave by refusing to take the covid vaccine for political reasons.

PubMed Central: ...we estimate how many deaths could have been averted by vaccination in the US but were not because of a failure to vaccinate. We ... estimate the preventable deaths among unvaccinated individuals in the US from May 30, 2021 to September 3, 2022 adjusted for the effects of age and time. We estimated that at least 232,000 deaths could have been prevented among unvaccinated adults during the 15 months had they been vaccinated with at least a primary series. Published April 24 2023.

And they also want to kill America by getting rid of democracy. America was founded as a democratic nation. rightturds hate democracy. Even foreign rightturds want democracy to die in America. As proven by Qtard's NewSpeak rantings in support of the J6 insurrectionists.

Qtard: Yet one Putin's Useful Idiot???

Naaah. He has MANY, not just one. Like YOU, for example. Qtard is another useful idiot for Putin that is doing IT's part to defend the puppet donald tRump, wanting him back in office so he can cut off aid to Ukraine.

Mystere: We have no business meddling with Ukraine. Joey Bidet steered Ukraine to further disaster with the underhanded deals he struck. It's not going to go well for us either.

You were ALL for meddling in Afghanistan and Iraq, weren't you Mystere?

Quote: Let's face it, 0bama has blundered by pulling the troops out of Iraq. In a few years, we will face another terrible war in the Middle East, and not have enough troops to fend off the aggressors. Posted on December 16, 2011 by myfoxmystere.

The ONLY reason that Mystere is opposed to "meddling" in Ukraine is because his fat Turd cult leader told him to oppose it. And the Orange Turd is opposed because his puppet master Vlad Putin told him to oppose helping Ukraine.

Joe Conservative said...

You do realize just how worthless most scientific studies are these day, don't you? Especially when Fauci can call his friends to publish in JAMA or some other "peer review controlled" journal. Science and Power are not the same.

Rattrapper said...

Dervish keeps drinking the milk from Joey Biden, GLUG GLUG GLUG! SLURP SLURP SLURP!

Rattrapper said...

Dervish's macro pee brain is scrambled, Joe.

Anonymous said...

\\Blogger Joe Conservative said...

\\ There is no "purity" argument here. The point is that untangling the intertwined economies of Russia and Ukraine would take take, and Ukrainian people and politicians became "impatient"...

BS.

You just know NO trivia.

About what GOSPLAN is. How that "economy" worked.

And what *KREML* did... for it to break. First and foremost.

That is just your USAians cultural illusions -- that EVERYBODY SHOULD play "win-win" games.

Though... that is NOT exactly true on your turf (like what Bi-den and dRump doing against each other).

AND... surely NOT TRUE in more global setup.

Yawn.


Are Creditors (especially one of so-called "shark loans" provider) ARE PATIENT and forgiving toward their Debtors?????

Do YOUR bank ready to postpone YOUR mortgage... for a year or two???

Or, maybe, your electricity or internet providing company -- ready to wait till you decide to pay em??? ;-P

What a f*g shit do your try to sell me here, ah, Joe? ;-)




-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

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Rattrapper said...

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Anonymous said...

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The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Minus: You do realize just how worthless most scientific studies are these day, don't you? Especially when Fauci can call his friends to publish in JAMA or some other "peer review controlled" journal. Science and Power are not the same.

I wrote a response to this. It posted. So it must be in spam now. Or maybe you thought my points were so good (and not refutable) that you HAD to delete it. Or not retrieve it from the Spam folder, at least. I will assume that if it doesn't get restored.

I'm not rewriting it. In summary: you're using the "replication crisis" as an excuse to label ANY scientific study YOU DON'T like as "worthless". And throwing in some tinfoil hat nuttery about "Fauci's friends" to boot.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

My comments here are all going to spam. Or being deleted by Minus. I wrote a longer one in reply to Minus FJ's use of the "replication crisis" to discount any scientific study he DOESN'T LIKE. Then I wrote a shorter one summarizing the longer one that went to spam. That is gone too now. So I guess this comment will go to spam as well.

Joe Conservative said...

The Scientific study that Fauci "commissioned" and was published to counter the lab leak theory and censors then thousands of responsible scientists and millions if internet users proves my point.

THAT was a study very much lacking in "replicability".

Joe Conservative said...

...and steeped only in "power".

Anonymous said...

\\Blogger The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

\\ I'm not rewriting it. In summary: you're using the "replication crisis" as an excuse to label ANY scientific study YOU DON'T like as "worthless".

Confirmed being cretin???

Science ALL about experiments. And that experiments need to provide SAME results.

Like my experiments with you -- they ALWAYS provide SAME result -- that you are cretin. ;-P




\\ My comments here are all going to spam.

Blame your DEMN censure, would ya??? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))0

Of course not. you'd only raving about "that was enemy doing"... while that is all just DEMN Google censure.

Yawn.

But... continue-continue, cretin.

Anonymous said...

\\THAT was a study very much lacking in "replicability".

Of course.

Because that is CRIMINAL investigation (must be)... and that is not science.

Rattrapper said...

By the way, Mystere was correct about a war in the middle East. It got delayed because Trump got voted in in 2016, took office in 2017, and hauled a crisis pending from ISIS becoming powerful again. Joey Buttblast Biden enabled HAMASS to expand and attack Israel on October 7 2023. And Buttblast Biden keeps money laundering cash to Ukraine to provoke WW3. Only God Almighty is preventing WW3 from happening now.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

"Mystere was correct"

YOU are Mystere.

"Joey Buttblast Biden enabled HAMASS to expand and attack Israel on October 7 2023".

NuttenYahoo enabled Hamas to expand and attack Israel.

"Buttblast Biden keeps money laundering cash to Ukraine to provoke WW3".

There is only "money laundering" taking place in your delusions.

"Only God Almighty is preventing WW3 from happening now".

Told to you by some FAKE prophet?

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Mystere ran away again.

Rattrapper said...

Mystere was never here, Ichabod. Now get off the white china, Dervish. Those sloppy seconds from Hunter's crack stash left behind from Hunter's Boofing are making you see things.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

Mystere just commented using his "Rattrapper" account. He is too much of a pv$$y to actually comment on the content of my comment. He mostly only lobs moronic insults and runs away.