Wednesday, March 18, 2026

Why Arguing with Leftists (and Zionists) is a Waste of Time

 

Gary Gindler, "From Lenin to Marcuse to Anti-Zionism"

Zionists are outside "the group" therefore all bets are off in opposing them.

In early 1907, Vladimir Lenin published accusations that some Menshevik organizations were “selling seats in the Second Duma to the Cadets” (Constitutional Democrats).  In other words, he accused the Mensheviks of colluding with a liberal bourgeois party rather than letting workers’ candidates run.  The Mensheviks filed a formal complaint, prompting Lenin to face slander charges before a Party Court (Control Commission).  The trial took place just before the opening of the Fifth (London) Congress of the Russian Communists (Russian Social-Democratic Workers’ Party, RSDWP), and Lenin delivered a lengthy oral defense.

In his defense speech, Lenin clearly delineated the boundaries of permissible and non-permissible behavior during the communists’ political debates.  He maintained that polemics inside a party must remain within certain bounds — personal insults, “poisoned weapons,” and exaggerations are undesirable because they harm party unity.

However, for polemics against a political enemy (or former party members who break away from the party), these limits no longer apply.  There are no formal “party rules” constraining communists in such discussions.  Lenin says, “Such wording is calculated not to convince, but to break up the ranks of the opponent, not to correct the mistake of the opponent, but to destroy him, to wipe his organization off the face of the earth” (Lenin [1907], 1977, p. 425).

In other words, while debating a political enemy, communists do not seek to uncover the truth.  Lenin proposed that communists must conduct polemics that are not designed to affect or convince their opponents.  That is simply because the communists strive to destroy the opposition.  Truth be told, the communists’ polemics are aimed not at their opponents, but at a larger audience.  Lenin advocates for “destroying the enemy organization, by rousing among the masses hatred, aversion, and contempt for this organization” (p. 428).  Thus, communists are expected to provoke disgust in the audience toward their opponents, potentially even before the public fully understands the communists’ arguments.

Finally, Lenin discussed the hypothetical case of the Bund (Jewish non-Zionist socialists of the Russian Empire) seceding from the RSDWP.  He states, “Could anyone then seriously raise the question of the impermissibility of pamphlets calculated to instill in the Bundist working masses hatred, aversion and contempt for their leaders, and describing these leaders as bourgeois in disguise, as those who had sold themselves to the Jewish bourgeoisie and were trying to get their men into the Duma with the latter’s assistance, etc.?” (p. 429).  The conclusion is that Jews (or any other Party subset) must be treated with the utmost respect if they follow the Party line.  However, once they are out, all bets are off.

This line of thought is the logical continuation of the left’s worldview, adapted for “civilized” political debate.  In fact, Lenin proposed the principle of asymmetric tolerance and asymmetric civility: Tolerance (and debate norms) applied only within a defined “community of the correct line.”  Outside this defined community, polemics become a tool for political annihilation rather than physical destruction.  In ten years, however, when the Bolsheviks came to power in Russia, intolerance also entered the physical domain.  Basically, Lenin’s instrumental view prioritizes revolutionary efficacy over universal decorum.

There are notable conceptual parallels (rooted in the broader Marxist-Leninist tradition) between Vladimir Lenin’s approach and Herbert Marcuse’s essay, “Repressive Tolerance” (1965).  Both thinkers advocate for the selective application of liberal and democratic principles to advance revolutionary goals.  Both justify intolerance or harsh rhetoric toward perceived enemies of “liberation.”  This shared logic reflects a commitment to vanguardism, where an enlightened minority guides (or suppresses) the masses against “reactionary” forces.

Marcuse was explicit that such actions might involve suppressing speech that sustains “reactionary” power structures, creating space for “progressive” change.  Marcuse insisted on the “withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture.  Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger.  I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs” (Marcuse 1965, pp. 109–110).

There are several key features of the Lenin-Marcuse approach that led directly to cancel culture, Jewish persecution, and double-standards applied uniquely to Israel.  First, the selective application of norms for “Us vs. Them.”  Second, vanguard elitism.  Thirdly, they provide a rationale for suppressing opposition.  These features stem from a common Marxist heritage, but Marcuse — a critical theorist from the Frankfurt School — adapts them to the post–World War II West.

As a result, Lenin and Marcuse created a framework in which the modern dialogue about Jews and Israel — particularly on the left — became highly asymmetrical, moralizing, and often exclusionary.

When the Soviet Union turned against Zionism after 1948 (especially after 1967), this Leninist model shaped the entire discourse.  Zionism was redefined as a hostile ideology, equated with racism, imperialism, and colonialism, and therefore outside the bounds of permissible debate.  Soviet media, academia, and propaganda were mobilized not to argue with Zionists, but to discredit and delegitimize Zionism entirely — an “exterminative polemic” in Lenin’s sense.

That shaped the official language: Zionism was portrayed as an “aggressive racist ideology,” not a legitimate nationalistic movement of Jews.  Jewish voices who dissented inside the Soviet Union were treated not as dialogue partners, but as traitors or agents of imperialism.  In other words, Lenin’s asymmetric rule for polemics provided the intellectual permission structure for non-dialogue, for campaigns aimed at destroying the very legitimacy of the opposing view.  That is why, to this day, the left demonizes Zionists and humanizes anti-Zionists.  The international left makes sure that every Israeli victory is a defeat.

Israel is increasingly classified as an oppressor — a “settler-colonial state” and an “apartheid regime.”  Therefore, speech defending Israel is treated as harmful, reactionary, and illegitimate — not simply wrong, but dangerous.  The result: deplatforming campaigns, boycott movements, and a rhetorical climate in which Zionist perspectives are considered outside the boundaries of acceptable discourse.  It comes off as a modern echo of Marcuse’s call for “intolerance toward movements from the right.”  It is classic Marcusean logic: tolerance is conditional on emancipatory potential, not on neutral procedural fairness.

Together, Lenin’s polemical ruthlessness and Marcuse’s selective tolerance create a potent framework for anti-Jewish and anti-Israel rhetoric.  If the former supplies the aggressive language (e.g., “Zionist genocide” as an unquestionable truth), the latter justifies silencing counterarguments as “repressive.”  This hybrid profoundly shaped leftist movements from the 1970s onward, evident in Europe’s radical left (where anti-Zionism spills into antisemitism) and U.S. campuses, where BDS campaigns invoke Marcusean intolerance to delegitimize Israel.

In today’s polarized debates — post–October 7, 2023 — these ideas underpin calls to deplatform Zionists, blending revolutionary zeal with cultural gatekeeping, often at the expense of a nuanced dialogue on Jewish self-determination.  This Lenin-Marcuse approach entrenches itself in leftist echo chambers, where Lenin’s “extermination” of dissent meets Marcuse’s “liberating” suppression.

References

Lenin, V. ([1907] 1977). Speech for the Defence (or for the Prosecution of the Menshevik Section of the Central Committee) Delivered At the Party Tribunal. In Collected Works (4th ed., Vol. 12, pp. 421-432). Moscow: Progress Publishers.

Marcuse, H. (1965). Repressive Tolerance. In B. M. Robert Paul Wolff, A Critique of Pure Tolerance. Boston: Beacon Press.1:23 PM 3/18/2026

 Of course Zionists, Christian and other, also use these same tactics against Free-Thinkers like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Glenn Greenwald, et al.  They parochially treat their ideas as Anti-Semitic (and not Universal) and therefore dangerous and, much like the Academic and Campus Left, de-platform freethinking speakers whenever possible.

 
"Entryism" par Excellence!

16 comments:

Les Carpenter said...

Sounds like Christian Nationalists and Trumpublicans to a fairthy well fer sure!

Anonymous said...

Says the butt pimple of a fat stone statue.

Anonymous said...

What does your fat stone buddah say, Les?

Les Carpenter said...

Ignorance, stupidity, and hate on steriods anon. We're sure your Anti-Christ trump highly approves of your hate. It mirrors his own.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

That's Mystere. He uses the phrase "butt pimple". And, notice again that he has issues with you but not with Minus. Even thought (he says) NuttenYahoo is "God's chosen leader for Israel" and Minus doesn't think highly of bebe. But Mystere only criticizes people who don't like trump as "antisemitic" for not liking bebe. Because he is a hypocritical gutless Turd.

Les Carpenter said...

Apparently the butt pimple on his but is where his miniscule brain draws what very little intelligence he possesses from.

A dirt bag through and through is Mystere. His butt hole weblog is a cess pool of rancid garbage. I haven't visited in years and certainly won't be again anytime in this lifetime.

Rattrapper said...

Your fixation on Mystere is getting worse, DerFuher Adolf Ze Nincompoop Hitler Sanders.

Rattrapper said...

Your rag is a sham, Leslie Elden Carpenter III. You're jealous because you can't think on your own. You never answered whoever asked you that question. What does your fat dead stone boy Buddha tell you, Leslie? Is your fat dead stone boy sitting on the toilet, too busy to talk with you, Leslie? Maybe you need to shout at it to wake it up, Leslie.

Rattrapper said...

Your fake god Allah has been taking a bigly beating from the real God Yahweh, False Prophet DerFuher Adolf Ze Nincompoop Assface Hitler Sanders. They must be crying at your snake mosque in Paris Tennessee, eh DerFuher Adolf Ze Nincompoop Assface Dervish Sanders?

Rattrapper said...

Leslie Elden Carpenter III is a bigly Jew Hater

Les Carpenter said...

Proving once again I am right. Thank you for your effort rat boy.

As usual, this Board perfectly expresses the character that the Human Conditions in America at its worst, and far beyond what it was even in the Obama years. A may I add that it has become this bad said...

The relentless narrative of the Progressive Communist Democrats such as Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker, Hakeem Jeffries, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and the failure of the Media to tell the truth , only leads to economic collapse, internal Republican rifts, and inevitable doom isn’t at all journalism. It’s ‘psychological warfare aimed at patriotic Americans’ . Their goal is to make you so disgusted with the political situation that you tune out, or you stay home home on election day so you don’t vote, or worse, you wind up and simply hand victory to the Very Progressive Communist Democrats and their uni-party authoritarian allies the Media who don’t give a damn, and have repeatedly refused to fully fund America’s defense against enemies who has sworn to destroy us, and our ally Israel..
Major newspapers and even large media outlets have been captured and corrupted for years. At the rotten heart of this highly unpleasant situation The Democrats’ agenda is to tear America down in pursuit of taking total control.
We are being played by the Democrats insisting of De-Funding these major parts of our Government, such as the Department of Homeland Security shutdown, yhe TSA agents are about to miss a full paycheck. Airports across our nation are descending into delay and cancellation chaos at the height of spring break. Multiple attacks in urban areas are being investigated as potential acts of Terrorism.,
at a time when we are sending our Men, and Women out to fight a war. It’s up to every Patriotic American to call it “Bullshit” like it is, and to reject the defeatist narrative, and turn toward real, unfiltered news and the actual primary sources. The fight for America’s future starts with refusing to let these shady outlets,,and Traitors like this demoralize and divide us, and in doing so, make us week, and to lose it’s up to us Republicans to Stay vigilant, Stay Patriotic, and to Stay strong. And do NOT listen to the Garbage written by these Progressive Morons, who Hate our President so much that they will say anything including to damage our Country by doing it.

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Anonymous said...

Note to that Meathead Lester, that Iran posed a VERY imminent threat to our nation,and had murdered thousands of people including Americans, as well as their own people and it is clear that they asked for this war by not complying to the request to not continue with the making f more Nukes after breaking their word, no to.

Les Carpenter said...

As unfortunate, sad, and immoral as the treatment of protesters is, Iran is a sovereign state and it rests with the people of Iran to rectify this problem. Not the US with American taxpayer dollars.

There was absoluty zero credible threat to this country. Other than the Butcher of over 75,000 innocent Palestinians Netanyahu saying so. And he's been pumping that BS for 30 years.

Now, as the US economy slides and the cost of goods rise for hard working yet struggling America's due to trump's War if Choice on a Iran you continue to keep your head buried up your Fuhrer's a*s.

So, it is looking more and more like you're the Meathead anon@ 9:17 AM. Guess being part of the tribe/cult of delusions is your identity and you value it over truth and right.

The Prophet Dervish Z Sanders said...

There is no "fixation". I point out that YOU are Mystere and "Rattrapper" is another of your many accounts. You deny it, even though everyone knows it is true. But you think you can continue to deny it due to your very low IQ.

And I've never seen Les write anything indicating he hates Jewish people. You lie. You're the racist hating bigot. You hate Muslims, Brown people, Chinese people and gay people. And use many racist and homophobic slurs in your comments and on your DonkeyTurds blog.

I am not Muslim. I don't worship Allah. You made that up. I think that you probably believe it, due to your severe mental illnesses. I have never seen a mosque where I live. I google searched and found out there aren't any. That's something else you made up.