Civic Religious Ceremonies
Religion - "A unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say, things set apart and forbidden- beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them."-Emile Durkheim
Most of those who have spoken here before me have commended the lawgiver who added this oration to our other funeral customs. It seemed to them a worthy thing that such an honor should be given at their burial to the dead who have fallen on the field of battle. But I should have preferred that, when men's deeds have been brave, they should be honored in deed only, and with such an honor as this public funeral, which you are now witnessing. Then the reputation of many would not have been imperiled on the eloquence or want of eloquence of one, and their virtues believed or not as he spoke well or ill. For it is difficult to say neither too little nor too much; and even moderation is apt not to give the impression of truthfulness. The friend of the dead who knows the facts is likely to think that the words of the speaker fall short of his knowledge and of his wishes; another who is not so well informed, when he hears of anything which surpasses his own powers, will be envious and will suspect exaggeration. Mankind are tolerant of the praises of others so long as each hearer thinks that he can do as well or nearly as well himself, but, when the speaker rises above him, jealousy is aroused and he begins to be incredulous. However, since our ancestors have set the seal of their approval upon the practice, I must obey, and to the utmost of my power shall endeavor to satisfy the wishes and beliefs of all who hear me.
I will speak first of our ancestors, for it is right and seemly that now, when we are lamenting the dead, a tribute should be paid to their memory. There has never been a time when they did not inhabit this land, which by their valor they will have handed down from generation to generation, and we have received from them a free state. But if they were worthy of praise, still more were our fathers, who added to their inheritance, and after many a struggle transmitted to us their sons this great empire. And we ourselves assembled here today, who are still most of us in the vigor of life, have carried the work of improvement further, and have richly endowed our city with all things, so that she is sufficient for herself both in peace and war. Of the military exploits by which our various possessions were acquired, or of the energy with which we or our fathers drove back the tide of war, Hellenic or Barbarian, I will not speak; for the tale would be long and is familiar to you. But before I praise the dead, I should like to point out by what principles of action we rose ~ to power, and under what institutions and through what manner of life our empire became great. For I conceive that such thoughts are not unsuited to the occasion, and that this numerous assembly of citizens and strangers may profitably listen to them.
Our form of government does not enter into rivalry with the institutions of others. Our government does not copy our neighbors', but is an example to them. It is true that we are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not of the few. But while there exists equal justice to all and alike in their private disputes, the claim of excellence is also recognized; and when a citizen is in any way distinguished, he is preferred to the public service, not as a matter of privilege, but as the reward of merit. Neither is poverty an obstacle, but a man may benefit his country whatever the obscurity of his condition. There is no exclusiveness in our public life, and in our private business we are not suspicious of one another, nor angry with our neighbor if he does what he likes; we do not put on sour looks at him which, though harmless, are not pleasant. While we are thus unconstrained in our private business, a spirit of reverence pervades our public acts; we are prevented from doing wrong by respect for the authorities and for the laws, having a particular regard to those which are ordained for the protection of the injured as well as those unwritten laws which bring upon the transgressor of them the reprobation of the general sentiment.
And we have not forgotten to provide for our weary spirits many relaxations from toil; we have regular games and sacrifices throughout the year; our homes are beautiful and elegant; and the delight which we daily feel in all these things helps to banish sorrow. Because of the greatness of our city the fruits of the whole earth flow in upon us; so that we enjoy the goods of other countries as freely as our own.
Then, again, our military training is in many respects superior to that of our adversaries. Our city is thrown open to the world, though and we never expel a foreigner and prevent him from seeing or learning anything of which the secret if revealed to an enemy might profit him. We rely not upon management or trickery, but upon our own hearts and hands. And in the matter of education, whereas they from early youth are always undergoing laborious exercises which are to make them brave, we live at ease, and yet are equally ready to face the perils which they face. And here is the proof: The Lacedaemonians come into Athenian territory not by themselves, but with their whole confederacy following; we go alone into a neighbor's country; and although our opponents are fighting for their homes and we on a foreign soil, we have seldom any difficulty in overcoming them. Our enemies have never yet felt our united strength, the care of a navy divides our attention, and on land we are obliged to send our own citizens everywhere. But they, if they meet and defeat a part of our army, are as proud as if they had routed us all, and when defeated they pretend to have been vanquished by us all.
If then we prefer to meet danger with a light heart but without laborious training, and with a courage which is gained by habit and not enforced by law, are we not greatly the better for it? Since we do not anticipate the pain, although, when the hour comes, we can be as brave as those who never allow themselves to rest; thus our city is equally admirable in peace and in war. For we are lovers of the beautiful in our tastes and our strength lies, in our opinion, not in deliberation and discussion, but that knowledge which is gained by discussion preparatory to action. For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection. And they are surely to be esteemed the bravest spirits who, having the clearest sense both of the pains and pleasures of life, do not on that account shrink from danger. In doing good, again, we are unlike others; we make our friends by conferring, not by receiving favors. Now he who confers a favor is the firmer friend, because he would rather by kindness keep alive the memory of an obligation; but the recipient is colder in his feelings, because he knows that in requiting another's generosity he will not be winning gratitude but only paying a debt. We alone do good to our neighbors not upon a calculation of interest, but in the confidence of freedom and in a frank and fearless spirit. To sum up: I say that Athens is the school of Hellas, and that the individual Athenian in his own person seems to have the power of adapting himself to the most varied forms of action with the utmost versatility and grace. This is no passing and idle word, but truth and fact; and the assertion is verified by the position to which these qualities have raised the state. For in the hour of trial Athens alone among her contemporaries is superior to the report of her. No enemy who comes against her is indignant at the reverses which he sustains at the hands of such a city; no subject complains that his masters are unworthy of him. And we shall assuredly not be without witnesses; there are mighty monuments of our power which will make us the wonder of this and of succeeding ages; we shall not need the praises of Homer or of any other panegyrist whose poetry may please for the moment, although his representation of the facts will not bear the light of day. For we have compelled every land and every sea to open a path for our valor, and have everywhere planted eternal memorials of our friendship and of our enmity. Such is the city for whose sake these men nobly fought and died; they could not bear the thought that she might be taken from them; and every one of us who survive should gladly toil on her behalf.
I have dwelt upon the greatness of Athens because I want to show you that we are contending for a higher prize than those who enjoy none of these privileges, and to establish by manifest proof the merit of these men whom I am now commemorating. Their loftiest praise has been already spoken. For in magnifying the city I have magnified them, and men like them whose virtues made her glorious. And of how few Hellenes 1 can it be said as of them, that their deeds when weighed in the balance have been found equal to their fame! I believe that a death such as theirs has been the true measure of a man's worth; it may be the first revelation of his virtues, but is at any rate their final seal. For even those who come short in other ways may justly plead the valor with which they have fought for their country; they have blotted out the evil with the good, and have benefited the state more by their public services than they have injured her by their private actions. None of these men were enervated by wealth or hesitated to resign the pleasures of life; none of them put off the evil day in the hope, natural to poverty, that a man, though poor, may one day become rich. But, deeming that the punishment of their enemies was sweeter than any of these things, and that they could fall in no nobler cause, they determined at the hazard of their lives to be honorably avenged, and to leave the rest. They resigned to hope their unknown chance of happiness; but in the face of death they resolved to rely upon themselves alone. And when the moment came they were minded to resist and suffer, rather than to fly and save their lives; they ran away from the word of dishonor, but on the battlefield their feet stood fast, and in an instant, at the height of their fortune, they passed away from the scene, not of their fear, but of their glory.
Such was the end of these men; they were worthy of Athens, and the living need not desire to have a more heroic spirit, although they may pray for a less fatal issue. The value of such a spirit is not to be expressed in words. Any one can discourse to you for ever about the advantages of a brave defense, which you know already. But instead of listening to him I would have you day by day fix your eyes upon the greatness of Athens, until you become filled with the love of her; and when you are impressed by the spectacle of her glory, reflect that this empire has been acquired by men who knew their duty and had the courage to do it, who in the hour of conflict had the fear of dishonor always present to them, and who, if ever they failed in an enterprise, would not allow their virtues to be lost to their country, but freely gave their lives to her as the fairest offering which they could present at her feast. The sacrifice which they collectively made was individually repaid to them; for they received again each one for himself a praise which grows not old, and the noblest of all tombs, I speak not of that in which their remains are laid, but of that in which their glory survives, and is proclaimed always and on every fitting occasion both in word and deed. For the whole earth is the tomb of famous men; not only are they commemorated by columns and inscriptions in their own country, but in foreign lands there dwells also an unwritten memorial of them, graven not on stone but in the hearts of men. Make them your examples, and, esteeming courage to be freedom and freedom to be happiness, do not weigh too nicely the perils of war. The unfortunate who has no hope of a change for the better has less reason to throw away his life than the prosperous who, if he survive, is always liable to a change for the worse, and to whom any accidental fall makes the most serious difference. To a man of spirit, cowardice and disaster coming together are far more bitter than death striking him unperceived at a time when he is full of courage and animated by the general hope.
Wherefore I do not now pity the parents of the dead who stand here; I would rather comfort them. You know that your dead have passed away amid manifold vicissitudes; and that they may be deemed fortunate who have gained their utmost honor, whether an honorable death like theirs, or an honorable sorrow like yours, and whose share of happiness has been so ordered that the term of their happiness is likewise the term of their life. I know how hard it is to make you feel this, when the good fortune of others will too often remind you of the gladness which once lightened your hearts. And sorrow is felt at the want of those blessings, not which a man never knew, but which were a part of his life before they were taken from him. Some of you are of an age at which they may hope to have other children, and they ought to bear their sorrow better; not only will the children who may hereafter be born make them forget their own lost ones, but the city will be doubly a gainer. She will not be left desolate, and she will be safer. For a man's counsel cannot have equal weight or worth, when he alone has no children to risk in the general danger. To those of you who have passed their prime, I say: "Congratulate yourselves that you have been happy during the greater part of your days; remember that your life of sorrow will not last long, and be comforted by the glory of those who are gone. For the love of honor alone is ever young, and not riches, as some say, but honor is the delight of men when they are old and useless.
To you who are the sons and brothers of the departed, I see that the struggle to emulate them will be an arduous one. For all men praise the dead, and, however preeminent your virtue may be, I do not say even to approach them, and avoid living their rivals and detractors, but when a man is out of the way, the honor and goodwill which he receives is unalloyed. And, if I am to speak of womanly virtues to those of you who will henceforth be widows, let me sum them up in one short admonition: To a woman not to show more weakness than is natural to her sex is a great glory, and not to be talked about for good or for evil among men.
I have paid the required tribute, in obedience to the law, making use of such fitting words as I had. The tribute of deeds has been paid in part; for the dead have them in deeds, and it remains only that their children should be maintained at the public charge until they are grown up: this is the solid prize with which, as with a garland, Athens crowns her sons living and dead, after a struggle like theirs. For where the rewards of virtue are greatest, there the noblest citizens are enlisted in the service of the state. And now, when you have duly lamented, every one his own dead, you may depart.
- Pericles Funeral Oration (per Thucydides)
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I’m on the same side as President Trump
Mo matter if the Lefties like it or not President Trump will make a Very god deal, or make No deal at all President Trump's signature "America First" strategy often relies on using bold ultimatums—framing negotiations as securing a highly advantageous agreement or choosing to walk away entirely. This approach frequently leads to sharply divided opinions, with supporters praising his willingness to hold out for better terms and critics expressing concerns over potential economic risks and geopolitical instability. So no matter what the Democrats say ior think!
I’m on the same side as President
People that compare President Trump with Hitler suffer from some sort of Mental Health Issues
Kamala Harris LOST Every Single Swing State in the past election, and yet she says that SHE came closer to winning than anyone else ever did,
The radical Iran’s have killed tens of thousands of its own people this year.
And during the 'pause' they have been hanging their own people.
You Democrats seem to condone that because of your affliction with TDS. But I for one would not trust these LYING Sons of Bitches for one minute.
The calendar says June is almost here, and with it comes the annual invasion of rainbows, Having their own Month, their own Parades, and their own Flag forced celebrations, and yjeir nonstop lectures about “inclusion.” But this year feels different. Americans are fed up. So it’s Enough With the Rainbow Bullying: America Is Reclaiming June From Progressive Identity Politics
The so-called LGBTQ, meaning Pride Month has morphed from a supposed civil rights observance into a full-blown celebration of degeneracy pushed by Progressive Communist Democrats obsessed with identity politics. Where is the pride in America month? The People just aren’t buying the hype anymore, in fact they are Fed Up with it all. When NON-GAY’S start flying their own Flags then we will accept the Gay’s flying theirs! But untill then, Enough, is Enough.
I can remember when the Real pride in America used to mean having Pride in our Country, our President, our Millitary, and everything else that represents America. . It meant appreciating the country’s founding principles, its incredible achievements, its Military Heroes, and its unmatched Freedoms. Now, under Progressive rule, those things are downgraded while every fringe non-inportant identity gets elevated.. And the result is embarrassing, A nation exhausted by nonstop “Gay Pride” demands, while basic American pride gets labeled problematic. While Flying the American flag if for some reason looked upon as something Suspicious. How about us all Celebrating Independence Day? And the Celebration of our 250th Birthday! But turning public streets into parades of exhibitionism may to too much for our Gay Community!
But our Progressive, Communist, Socialist, Democrats still fell that America is not exactly someplace that is as wonderful as we Republican take “Pride”in. They trot out celebrities, Singers, and Leftist Politicians to shame the public. But the silent majority has had enough. June should be about Barbecues, Graduations, and American Traditions, not state-sponsored Madness. And not Parades of half Naked people hanging out of cars, and trucks. Some how the Respect for our Country, and our President, and our Military got lost along the way!
And Pride Month in its current form isn’t about Love or Acceptance anymore. It’s become a vehicle for the worst excesses of Leftist Progressive identity politics — a Celebration of Confusion, Medical Experimentation on Youth, and the erosion of basic social norms. Americans Want Their Country Back. They want June to reflect national pride, not niche degeneracy. The pushback, and the lack of respect isn’t going away. It’s growing stronger,and louder, and more Vicious, and Unapologetic, and even Violent , with Hate speech. Hate for our President, and our Politicians because they are Republicans, Parental rights? Oppressive. This isn’t tolerance; it’s cultural conquest. It’s wrong, and it’s disgusting.
The Radical Left Hijacked the Month of June. It’s Time for us to Take it Back.
Please. Trump's Tweets are all made for the stock markets. Content may vary dependent upon desired results.
It's all kayfabe all the time. :(
Joe Biden like Donald Trump also has a long list of "accomplishments" too:
Everything Biden , aka “poopy pants” touches turns to shit, here's a partial list:
How about showering with Ashley? How screwed up is that?
The Brits hold Biden in CONTEMPT for his AFG retreat
The French pulled their ambassador for Bidens retreat in AFG
China loves Biden for abandoning AFG’s motherlode of rare metals to them!
He pissed off the Canadians by killing the KeystoneXL pipeline, that’s 500,000 bbls a day he killed.
Biden sold us out by approving the Nord Stream 2 pipeline giving Putin cash to modernize his military and invade Ukraine, and his “war on energy” keeps fuel costs high. That's why Bidenis "Putin's Whore".
Hope he enjoys the $3,500,000 the Moscow Mayor's wife sent Hunter
Hope he enjoys the $1,500,000,000 that China gave Hunter to "invest"
Open borders is a catastrophe. Trump had it SOLVED. Now its infected migrants & fentanyl sent all over
Runaway inflation would get worse if the dems pass their "BBB" bill. That will be Solyndra on steroids, not to mention the $200,000,000 for Nancy’s park in San Francisco.
Joe Biden is ruining the US energy sector with his stupid EOs, he wants Russia to pump more oil?? WTF?
Biden is so dumb he can't even do fake press conferences to answer "ice cream" questions.
Biden is a gaffe machine, his brain is defective, and he has the nuclear football, WTF???
Biden surrendered AFG leaving Americans, $billions of equipment, and interpreters to be slaughtered
Biden’s DOJ sent the FBI after parents (aka domestic terrorists) who dare to ask questions at school board meetings.
China just passed the US out with their new hypersonic missile.
Stupid Joe wants to pay MIGRANTS $450,000 for breaking US immigration LAWS??????
After promising we would have more than enough Covid testing kits, Joe LIED and FAILED.
Biden killed Israel’s EastMed gas pipeline to sell gas to the EU, Putin’s whore strikes again.
Biden killed the development of ANWR, but he’s begging Putin to pump more oil???
Biden’s“war on energy” is pushing gas and diesel to unaffordable levels, causing “runaway inflation”.
Biden is letting RUSSIA negotiate the new IRAN agreement???? WTF!!!!!! Biden is giving baby formula to migrants when American babies can’t get formula????
Biden sold 1m bbls of SPR emergency oil to Sinopec, Hunter’s Chinese oil company, twice,that’s treason.
Biden turning the US into a banana republic by misusing the FBI and IRS to harass opponents
Joe Biden wants 87,000 armed IRS agents willing to KILL!! WTF???
Bidy forgiving $127b of student loan debt (unconstitutional)
Biden stole classified documents, did he sell them to anyone? Is he a traitor for cash?
Joe Biden let the Chinese spy balloon fly across the US and send back the data, TRAITOR.
Xiden blew-up the Nord Stream pipelines?! WTF? That is an act of war against Russia.
How did Navy dropout Hunter Biden get to a $230,000,000? Selling access maybe?
Biden wants the army to make EV tanks weakening military readiness.
Bideb extortion and bribery schemes are being outed by whistleblowers
I could go on and on, but you see Trump was at least 1,000,000x better as president than stupid, Demented Moron.
Guess what? On Friday, May 22, 2026, Judge Waverly D. Crenshaw Jr. dismissed the criminal case against Kilmar Abrego Garcia, “ruling that the Trump administration had brought human trafficking charges against him as part of a vindictive effort to punish him for challenging his wrongful deportation to El Salvador last year".
Didn't you babble about his guilt being for sure and obvious? So why would the charges be dropped? Just a leftist judge who thinks human trafficking is cool? For the record, If Garcia was guilty, I'd want him arrested, imprisoned and deported. But the charges were false as far as I could tell. And the judge agreed. But you decided that he was guilty and the primary proof was that he is Hispanic.
That is what maga is and always has been, yes. But you liked it when you thought the fake stuff was for the rubes and not you.
California is drowning in Dept, and that my friends is no secret. . Record deficits. Sky-high gas prices. A Homelessness catastrophe, that is getting worse and not better. Seniors are losing their health coverage, because they can’t make ends meet themselves. . And what does Governor Gavin Newsom do in the final months of his administration? He quietly buries a $20 Million Dollar Farewell Gift to himself. And if that alone don’t prove that Democrats Can Never Be Trusted With Your
This isn’t governance. This is a farewell party billed to the taxpayers
Remember the Democrat that was waving his Cane at President Trump who was thrown out of the SOTU speech? The same Al Green that has the IQ of a Hostess Donut and the ethics of snake. Well, he's been, thrown out by the Democrat Voters.
In an semi important race Christian Menefee defeated the longtime Democratic Rep. Al Green in Texas .
Green, who was seeking a 12th term, has been a vocal opponent of President Donald Trump, frequently pushing for his impeachment. Al Green was ejected from the House chamber during Trump’s State of the Union address this year and in 2025, as well.
Al Green has been known as a Trump antagonist, introducing articles of impeachment against the President in His First and Second Term. Al Green gained popularaty when he so stupidly waved his cane at the President during the State of the Union address. The House voted last year to censure him for disrupting President Trump's speech to Congress. He was always a complete Fool. And anybody who defended that complete moron is even dumber than I thought!
So say Goodbye to one of the biggest POS to ever serve in the United States Congress. So Goodbye Congressman Al Green you POS. Goodbye
I'm getting sick and tired of these LYONG SOB’s. Playing is for fools. I think that President Trump’s trying to negotiate with muslim terrorists is a waste of time. They have no honor and they are not afraid of death. This is getting embarrassing. This is dragging on too long, do Please President. Trump Give them a Deadly and then do what’s needed
Minus: Trump's Tweets are all made for the stock markets. Content may vary dependent upon desired results.
Exactly. And the word goes out to his cronies (and the people that handle his money) what stocks to buy and what stocks to short before he tweets. If Nancy Pelosi (allegedly) trades stocks on insider information (or her husband allegedly does) the right is outraged. If donald trump does it, there is zero outrage. Some might even admire him for his ability to enrich himself using the power of the presidency. You've said previously you were fine with it.
No reply, huh? I guess you're ignoring these developments. Due to not liking being proven wrong. Why you won't post or comment again about James Comey (et al) when he is never convicted? Or post or comment again when Barack Obama (et al) are NEVER charged with the fake crimes uncovered by Tulsi?
I am fine with it. Even Adam Smith was fine with it:
"A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. Most government is by the rich for the rich. Government comprises a large part of the organized injustice in any society, ancient or modern. Civil government, insofar as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, and for the defence of those who have property against those who have none." -Adam Smith
And for Anti-Colonialists, so was Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun:
Government: "an institution which prevents injustice other than such as it commits itself"
Or as to paraphrase Bertolt Brecht, who famously noted: "What is the crime of robbing a bank in comparison to the founding of one?"
lol! And what ranking in his law school graduating class did Crenshaw have? How many black judges are members of the Order of the Coif? I'm relatively certain that Crenshaw wasn't one of them.
Graduates in the top 10% of their class at accredited law schools often join the Order of the Coif, a prestigious national honorary society for legal scholarship.
Order of the Coif Qualifications: While generally recognizing the top 10% of a graduating class, individual law schools may have additional requirements, such as a minimum number of graded credits rather than pass/fail, according to student discussions.
BigLaw Placement: Top 10% students at T14 (Top 14) schools are highly likely to secure "BigLaw" positions (firms with 501+ attorneys), with top schools like Northwestern, Columbia, and Penn placing over 60% of their entire graduating classes into these roles.
Regional Schools: Students in the top 10% of non-T14 or regional schools are typically the most competitive applicants for federal clerkships and top-tier regional law firm jobs.
Prestige & Clerkships: Top-tier students (often defined as top 10-25%) are frequently sought for federal appellate or supreme court clerkships, note.
For many top schools, being in the top 10% is not a requirement to get a high-paying job, as more than 50% of the class at several institutions (e.g., Columbia, UVA, UChicago) enter BigLaw, as shown in 2026 data
ps Waverly D. Crenshaw, Jr. is a prominent federal judge who serves on the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee. While he is a highly accomplished alumnus of Vanderbilt University Law School (J.D., 1981), public biographical records do not specifically register him as a member of the Order of the Coif.
2nd rate legal mind often render 2nd rate legal decisions.
Speaking of which...
No, Associate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was not a member of the Order of the Coif.
The Order of the Coif is an honorary scholastic society for law school graduates that is restricted to the top percentage of the graduating class. Justice Jackson earned her Juris Doctor cum laude from Harvard Law School, but she was not inducted into the Order of the Coif.
Democrats don't seem to want the best people in government... why is that?
Google:
At Harvard Law School, 30 percent of the graduating class receives cum laude honors.
Harvard Law School
The school awards Latin honors on a proportional basis rather than by a fixed GPA:
The Harvard Crimson
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Summa cum laude: The top 1 percent of the class.
Magna cum laude: The next 10 percent of the class.
Cum laude: The next 30 percent of the class.
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Harvard Law School (HLS) awards the cum laude distinction to the next 30% of the graduating class, which directly follows the top 10% who receive magna cum laude. This proportional basis is calculated dynamically based on class rank and is not awarded simply on arbitrary GPA cutoffs.
So Jackson was ranked somewhere below the top 11% of graduates, and the bottom 59%. That makes her merely "above average" a selection.
...and not even nearly "the best" selection.
btw - Did you know that Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Kamala Harris all failed the BAR on their first try?
Via Copilot...
👉The Adam Smith quote is misused. The quote he posted is not from Adam Smith. It’s a well‑known misattribution. It actually comes from Clarence Darrow, the American lawyer, in the early 20th century. People often attach it to Adam Smith because it sounds like something a classical economist might say, but it isn’t.
So what he’s doing is:
Using a quote that isn’t from the person he claims.
Using it to justify a modern political stance.
Using it to imply corruption is normal or inevitable.
This doesn’t address your original point at all.
👉The Ibn Khaldun quote is also being used out of context. Ibn Khaldun did write about government and injustice, but he was describing:
The cyclical nature of dynasties.
The corruption that emerges in late‑stage regimes.
The tendency of rulers to exploit subjects.
😡He was not saying:
“Corruption is fine”.
“We should accept it”.
Or “Support corrupt leaders”.
He was describing a problem, not endorsing it.
So again, this is justification, not contradiction.🛑
I think that their words speak for themselves and don't need any spinning. :)
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