Courtney Kube, Carol E. Lee and Kristen Welker, "U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine"
Sources say that the conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.WASHINGTON — U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.
The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.
The discussions are an acknowledgment of the dynamics militarily on the ground in Ukraine and politically in the U.S. and Europe, officials said.
They began amid concerns among U.S. and European officials that the war has reached a stalemate and about the ability to continue providing aid to Ukraine, officials said. Biden administration officials also are worried that Ukraine is running out of forces, while Russia has a seemingly endless supply, officials said. Ukraine is also struggling with recruiting and has recently seen public protests about some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s open-ended conscription requirements.
And there is unease in the U.S. government with how much less public attention the war in Ukraine has garnered since the Israel-Hamas war began nearly a month ago, the officials said. Officials fear that shift could make securing additional aid for Kyiv more difficult.
Some U.S. military officials have privately begun using the term “stalemate” to describe the current battle in Ukraine, with some saying it may come down to which side can maintain a military force the longest. Neither side is making large strides on the battlefield, which some U.S. officials now describe as a war of inches. Officials also have privately said Ukraine likely only has until the end of the year or shortly thereafter before more urgent discussions about peace negotiations should begin. U.S. officials have shared their views on such a timeline with European allies, officials said.“Any decisions about negotiations are up to Ukraine,” Adrienne Watson, spokesperson for the National Security Council, said in a statement. “We are focused on continuing to stand strongly in support of Ukraine as they defend their freedom and independence against Russian aggression.”An administration official also noted that the U.S. has participated with Ukraine in discussions of its peace summit framework but said the White House “is not aware of any other conversations with Ukraine about negotiations at the moment.”
Questions about manpower
President Joe Biden has been intensely focused on Ukraine’s depleting military forces, according to two people familiar with the matter.
"Manpower is at the top of the administration’s concerns right now,” one said. The U.S. and its allies can provide Ukraine with weaponry, this person said, “but if they don’t have competent forces to use them it doesn’t do a lot of good”
Biden has requested that Congress authorize additional funding for Ukraine, but, so far, the effort has failed to progress because of resistance from some congressional Republicans. The White House has linked aid for Ukraine and Israel in its most recent request. That has support among some congressional Republicans, but other GOP lawmakers have said they’ll only vote for an Israel-only aid package.
Before the Israel-Hamas war began, White House officials publicly expressed confidence that additional Ukraine funding would pass Congress before the end of this year, while privately conceding concerns about how difficult that might be.
Biden had been reassuring U.S. allies that Congress will approve more aid for Ukraine and planned a major speech on the issue. Once Hamas terrorists attacked Israel on Oct. 7, the president’s focus shifted to the Middle East, and his Ukraine speech morphed into an Oval Office address about why the U.S. should financially support Ukraine and Israel.
Is Putin ready to negotiate?
The Biden administration does not have any indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, two U.S. officials said. Western officials say Putin still believes he can “wait out the West,” or keep fighting until the U.S. and its allies lose domestic support for funding Ukraine or the struggle to supply Kyiv with weapons and ammunition becomes too costly, officials said.
Both Ukraine and Russia are struggling to keep up with military supplies. Russia has ramped up production of artillery rounds, and, over the next couple years may be able to produce 2 million shells per year, according to a Western official. But Russia fired an estimated 10 million rounds in Ukraine last year, the official said, so it will also have to rely on other countries.
The Biden administration has spent $43.9 billion on security assistance for Ukraine since Russia’s invasion in February 2022, according to the Pentagon. A U.S. official says the administration has about $5 billion left to send to Ukraine before money runs out. There would be no aid left for Ukraine if the administration hadn’t said it found a $6.2 billion accounting error from months of over-valuing equipment sent to Kyiv.
Public support slipping
Progress in Ukraine’s counteroffensive has been very slow, and hope that Ukraine will make significant advances, including reaching the coast near Russia’s frontlines, is fading. A lack of significant progress on the battlefield in Ukraine does not help with trying to reverse the downward trend in public support for sending more aid, officials said.
A Gallup poll released this week shows decreasing support for sending additional aid to Ukraine, with 41% of Americans saying the U.S. is doing too much to help Kyiv. That’s a significant change from just three months ago when 24% of Americans said they felt that way. The poll also found that 33% of Americans think the U.S. is doing the right amount for Ukraine, while 25% said the U.S. is not doing enough.
Public sentiment toward assisting Ukraine is also starting to soften in Europe.
As incentive for Zelenskyy to consider negotiations, NATO could offer Kyiv some security guarantees, even without Ukraine formally becoming part of the alliance, officials said. That way, officials said, the Ukrainians could be assured that Russia would be deterred from invading again.
In August national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters, “We do not assess that the conflict is a stalemate.” Instead, Sullivan said, Ukraine is taking territory on a “methodical, systematic basis.”
But a Western official acknowledged there has not been a lot of movement by either side in some time, and with the cold weather approaching it will be tough for either Ukraine or Russia to break that pattern. The official said it will not be impossible, but it will be difficult.
U.S. officials also assess that Russia will attempt to hit critical infrastructure in Ukraine again this winter, attempting to force some civilians to endure a frigid winter without heat or power.
Administration officials expect Ukraine to want more time to fight on the battlefield, particularly with new, heavier equipment, “but there’s a growing sense that it’s too late, and it’s time to do a deal,” the former senior administration official said. It is not certain that Ukraine would mount another spring offensive.
One senior administration official pushed back on any notion of the U.S. nudging Ukraine toward talks. The Ukrainians, the official said, “are on the clock in terms of weather, but they are not on the clock in terms of geopolitics.”
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September 29-30, 1938. On this date, Germany, Italy, Great Britain, and France signed the Munich agreement, giving Germany the Sudetenland.
Go start to decide what more concession to liliPut you will do.
I think... he will be glad to have Hawaii. ;-P
Can I cede him Detroit instead?
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ReplyDeleteJust try a thought experiment.
Let's assume that just today Zelensky agreed with all demands of Kreml.
And that was not that grave and very generous actually?
So what, end of the war? And peace and happines again... like in that Barbi movie? ;-P
And what about all that investments into war liliPut ALREADY did? All that propaganda pounding -- teaching children that becoming soldier... and dying for Motherland -- is good?
For a second -- THIRD part of their budget. And that is for next three year -- which should be telling. WHY Rush'A made such unusual arrangments in their budgeting -- three year planning?
And that... without ALREADY proclaimed plans of China -- to pump up their Nukes Stokpile to the level of M.A.D. ASAP.
It will suddenly will "turn to normal"???
So???
What's this all "peaceful" talks is about?
There's a saying, "Si vis pacem, para bellum"... and there are two sides to that equation.
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ReplyDelete\\There's a saying, "Si vis pacem, para bellum"... and there are two sides to that equation.
ReplyDeleteYeah.
Want a war... start showing that you are weak.
You have had that way to subjugate Rush'A in a jiffy.
Just start Crome Dome 2.0 operation -- to make em answer and depleat their resources.
But your government full of balless cowards.
So now, that can of worms opened, and you need to react to it... like to a forest flames... instead of eliminating possibilities.
And practic showed that you are NOT ready EVEN to that...
And now you are in a downward spiral -- from bad decisions, to worse...
New Tech adopted ASAP could save you, turn the table completely -- just by showing that you capable of something -- your enemies, yes now they your direct enemies -- cannot.
That would make em think twice, and try to come up with counter-plans.
And that would make em busy... for years.
But chances of it falling lower and lower...
\\Timing is everything. The Iranians are using you for cover. And our leaders are too stupid to implement the soft kill (Al-Sistani & Moqtada al Sadr).
ReplyDeleteIt's bad. Very bad idea.
To start "smart moves", if you have no strategic plan...
And now -- all your strategic plans are open book to your enemies.
No... you babbling about em non-stop yourself.
You forgot that wisdom.
ReplyDelete"War it's path of lies"...
And even worse... you, at least part of you -- fell into chasm of lying to themself.
ReplyDeleteBut your government full of balless cowards.
ReplyDeleteNo, they're "carbon friendly" Why fly when you have carbo-free Trident D5's parked just offshore the northern Russian coast.
My plan is brilliant. Replace Iran's Veleyat al Fiqh heresy with Shi'a "Quietism".
ReplyDeleteTHAT is a strategic plan.
ReplyDeleteIt neutralizes Iran, Hezbollah, Yemen, Hamas, et al.... All Iranian proxies in one fell swoop.
ReplyDelete\\No, they're "carbon friendly" Why fly when you have carbo-free Trident D5's parked just offshore the northern Russian coast.
ReplyDeleteWhy liliPut do not fear it in the least?
Because he feeled insides of his sock-puppet Zero-bama, and found it warm and cosy? ;-P
Barack Obama is no longer president. Will never be president again. While donald tRump could be. Putin is and will continue to pump his propaganda to help his orange puppet regain the presidency in 2024.
ReplyDeleteYap. And Zero-bama is not venerable decision maker and influencer... oh, shit. :-)))))
ReplyDeleteWell... as CNN reminds -- dRump leads in race so far. ;-P
So... you either will be FORCED to call Orange Turd POTUS... AGAIN!
Or... youd need to start a Civil War 2.0.
But... I have my faith in you -- you will just call it "not my business". ;-P
Joe Biden is Michelle Obama's stalking horse. Barrack's former campaign manager all but announced it just the other day.
ReplyDeleteCNN is republiturd propaganda.
ReplyDeleteDavid Axelrod is not the decider. Joe Biden is the decider. Joe Biden WILL be the 2024 Democratic potus nominee.
It is? Someone better tell CNN...
ReplyDeleteChanges spark chatter of CNN shifting to the right 9/9/2022 (excerpts).
ReplyDeleteMajor changes at CNN in recent weeks have sparked chatter in media and political circles that the network’s new corporate ownership is pulling it to the political right. ...
“The message coming out … is that this is part of a deliberate effort to get rid of people at CNN who are seen as too critical of Donald Trump and Fox News,” said Matthew Gertz, a senior fellow at Media Matters for America, a liberal media watchdog.
He also noted “some very high-profile cases of CNN staffers making a sort of public display of criticizing President Joe Biden.” ...
“I decided to #BoycottCNN as soon as the network began its shift to the right,” wrote Jon Cooper, a former finance chair for President Obama. “If I wanted to watch right-wing propaganda, I’d watch Fox.”
OMG, an Entertainment/Media based "Southern Strategy"... two CNN newscaster flipped to Faux News mode and now the entire network has gone Alt Right!
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame that they had to fire their recently exposed Hamas embedded photographers, too... *tsk-tsk*
Your "Not-Me-is"m is getting out of hand Dervy. Accept your Jungian Shadow Self. Denying him will only lead you deeper down the rabbit hole. You needn't virtue signal every blemish on your Blogger profile.
ReplyDelete...most of the General Peer issued "Likes" are from Progressive "Like-bots", anyways.
ReplyDelete"now the entire network has gone Alt Right!"
ReplyDeleteThey haven't. When I said that CNN is republiturd propaganda, I didn't mean all of it. But it is present and they are going further in that direction.
Demns just playing their victimhood... against harsh Reality. :-))))
ReplyDelete\\"now the entire network has gone Alt Right!"
\\They haven't.
And Derpy tryed to say that it do not suck... I mean do not watch CNN....
But THIS words reveal that it KNOWS ALL about CNN... how so???
The media has been hinting about the "intentions" of its' new management. Their mind readers understand that there was a reason behind their ever-diminishing viewership n(too far Left). CNN forgot "Meden agan" and are now "remembering" that their main goal is to make MONEY, not promote activism. They are Capitalist Realists in the end, after all.
ReplyDeleteTHIS words reveal that Minus FJ KNOWS ALL about CNN... how so???
ReplyDeleteMinus watches CNN ALL THE TIME?
\\not promote activism. They are Capitalist Realists in the end, after all.
ReplyDeleteOr... other party just proposed something more fatty to em. ;-P
Capitalism and populism walk hand-in-hand.
ReplyDeleteThey do?
ReplyDeleteWhat's a market, Derv?
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ReplyDeleteCan't explain?
ReplyDeleteI thought capitalists liked globalism, not populism.
Minus must be silently agreeing.
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