Why Didn't they Give the Kompromat on Hillary to Don Jr. at the Trump Tower Meeting?
...because it was always a Fusion GPS/ Perkins Coei Set-Up!
One of the founders of the research firm behind the controversial Russian dossier met with a Kremlin-linked lawyer before and after she sat down with President Trump’s son and other campaign officials at the Trump Tower during the 2016 election, Fox News reported on Tuesday.
Glenn Simpson, a former Wall Street Journal reporter and co-founder of Fusion GPS, was with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at a Manhattan federal courtroom just hours before the Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016, Fox News reported, citing a source. He met with her again after the meeting, the report said.Veselnitskaya, promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, met with Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign operatives – including Jared Kushner and former campaign manager Paul Manafort. Trump Jr. later said the discussion was about Russian adoptions.
But the meeting took place at a critical time when Fusion GPS was being paid by a Russian oligarch and by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee while it enlisted former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up damaging information about Trump through his contacts in Moscow, Fox News said.
The report said Simpson’s meeting Veselnitskaya and Fusion GPS’ being bankrolled by the DNC, the Clinton campaign and Russian interests raises new questions about what role the firm played in the presidential election.
The original plan was to tie Trump and Paul Manafort to Russia, as the Ukrainians had given the Clinton Campaign Kompromat on Manafort (the forged Black-Ledger) that later served as the basis for Manafort's FARA conviction.
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Minus: Why Didn't they Give the Kompromat on Hillary to Don Jr. at the Trump Tower Meeting? ...because it was always a Fusion GPS/ Perkins Coei Set-Up!
And donald trump Junior was in on the setup? Was he secretly working against his father and for Fusion GPS/Perkins Coei? That explains why he set up the meeting?
Behind Closed Doors, a Smoke Free, Catered Room in D.c., a foundation boardroom, or maybe a “nonprofit strategy summit.” The language is polished, the schemes are not.
Someone named Chucky : Says Okay, team, crisis of the week—what’s it going to be? Climate? Democracy? Or “protecting the children”? (translation: which narrative spins fastest?)
Someone named Hakeem Let’s bundle all three. Fear sells best in bulk. (translation: panic = profits)
Someone named :Cory says “Perfect. We’ll draft a 70 page report” that no one reads, slap our logo on it, and leak it to friendly press. Instant narrative. (translation: fake news factory)
Donor Liaison: And we’ll need funding mechanisms. USAID can route some overseas contracts to our buddies. Domestic side? IRS will look the other way if we call it “voter engagement.” (translation: hush money and vote rigging)
Foundation Executive: Don’t forget the speech circuit. We’ll send out our “experts” to say this is all urgent. Throw in a few sob stories, sprinkle words like “justice” and “equity,” and boom—taxpayer cash starts flowing. (translation: sob stories = cash cows)
Cory says “And Accountability”
Consultant: (laughing) Cute. We bury everything under layers of partnerships, sub grants, and advisory boards. By the time anyone asks where the money went, it’s already funding next year’s campaign ads. (translation: smoke, mirrors, and reruns)
Hakeem says We’re not stealing—we’re investing.” We’re not power grabbing—we’re “protecting democracy.” (translation: lying with style)
Foundation Executive: Brilliant. Now, who wants wine and a taxpayer funded limousine to the after party? (translation: living large on your dime)
(Everyone laughs, because why not—it’s not their money.)
And that’s the bitter reality: the DOJ isn’t blind, it’s weaponized. The IRS isn’t fair; it’s targeted. USAID isn’t aid, it’s a slush fund. NGOs aren’t neutral; they’re partisan storefronts. Foundations aren’t charity, they’re laundering machines. Every lever of government and “civil society” has been twisted into a tool for power, control, and cash. And the rest of us? We’re stuck footing the bill while they Congratulate Themselves for “Saving Democracy.”
Every single person who used holocaust comparison and inversions and distorted the history will remain absolutely silent about this. Something that actually echos what the Holocaust was. A starving emaciated suffering Jewish man being forced to dig his own grave bc he is Jewish. And NONE of you will speak up for him. Everyone who exploited my history will stay shamelessly silent on this. Too scared to speak up for jews like the complicit people In europe who came before you.
“I didn’t know this was happening”. Your ignorance is not my problem. Ask yourself why you don’t know this was happening, why the media doesn’t report on it, why you social justice causes and instagram accounts you follow don’t bring attention to it and Demand better
Seriously - Stop Calling Everything You Don’t like “Nazism”. You are watering down holocaust and our painful and tragic history. And for the 100tj time, I am so sick of everyone using OUR tragedy to call out every little injustice they deem worthy of calling out while absolutely ignoring the SHARP SCARY rise in antijewish sentiment, while Jews are harrassed, murdered, villanized, held hostage - like the actual thing that parallels to the Holocaust. If you can’t understand that then you legit don’t understand the Holocaust and should really stop talking about it. Many of you wouldn’t know Nazism if it stared you in the mirror. I said what I said. I’m sick of your performative outrage and virtue signaling and calling things out for the instant gratification.
Nazism didn't happen overnight. It had foundations. Destroying Teslas is not terrorism, it's Vandalism.
My point remains is if you ignore what is actually similar to the Holocaust, rise in antisemitism, then you don’t understand what the holocaust really was.
Every single person who used holocaust comparison and inversions and distorted the history will remain absolutely silent about this. Something that actually echos what the Holocaust was. A starving emaciated suffering Jewish man being forced to dig his own grave bc he is Jewish. And NONE of you will speak up for him. Everyone who exploited my history will stay shamelessly silent on this. Too scared to speak up for jews like the complicit people In europe who came before you.
“I didn’t know this was happening”. Your ignorance is not my problem. Ask yourself why you don’t know this was happening, why the media doesn’t report on it, why you social justice causes and instagram accounts you follow don’t bring attention to it and Demand better
Seriously - Stop Calling Everything You Don’t like “Nazism”. You are watering down holocaust and our painful and tragic history. And for the 100tj time, I am so sick of everyone using OUR tragedy to call out every little injustice they deem worthy of calling out while absolutely ignoring the SHARP SCARY rise in antijewish sentiment, while Jews are harrassed, murdered, villanized, held hostage - like the actual thing that parallels to the Holocaust. If you can’t understand that then you legit don’t understand the Holocaust and should really stop talking about it. Many of you wouldn’t know Nazism if it stared you in the mirror. I said what I said. I’m sick of your performative outrage and virtue signaling and calling things out for the instant gratification.
Nazism didn't happen overnight. It had foundations. Destroying Teslas is not terrorism, it's Vandalism.
My point remains is if you ignore what is actually similar to the Holocaust, rise in antisemitism, then you don’t understand what the holocaust really was. And calling someone like President your Stupid Names like Lester does aint gonna make the Democrats any better, that is almost impossible th this late date.
Oh my, a disturbed individual. One who hasn't the intellectual firepower to see reality clearly. Even when it is staring him/her squarely in the face.
When the Festering Idiot tRump and his Genocidal Zionist Butcher friend Nettyboy stop their ignorant and evil attempt to exterminate the Palestinian people perhaps reasonable people will treat them differently.
Until then they will be treated commensurate with their evil ways.
Nope, the Clinton Campaign wanted a Russia connection for their hoax, so they created one, offering dirt on Hillary to Don Jr.. And of coarse, there was no dirt, only a request for special visa treatment that served as a cover for the meeting and a waste of Jr's time.... but the meeting was now "on the record" (Clinton hoax reason achieved).
It's not illegal to get dirt on your enemy... it is to set them up for a phony FBI investigation.
^^Intellectual firepower that only shoots blanks^^
What a stupid post!!
Another DUMB COMMENT FROM THE IDIOT Lester
AOC must be investigated and arrested for fraud now. She allegedly tried to sneak her boyfriend onto official government paperwork to bankroll their trips on taxpayer dollars—a blatant abuse of power and a betrayal of public trust.
This isn’t just a rumor; it’s a serious accusation that demands a full probe by the Department of Justice and swift action to hold her accountable.
No one’s above the law, and AOC’s no exception.
Copilot weighs in...
The blog post reflects a conspiratorial framing that’s popular in certain political circles. It blends real connections -- like Fusion GPS’s dual roles in opposition research and the Prevezon case -- with speculative leaps, such as the idea that the Trump Tower meeting was a deliberate trap. While it’s true that Fusion GPS’s work intersected with Veselnitskaya’s, there’s no solid evidence that they coordinated the meeting or intended it as a setup.
The theory hinges on interpreting circumstantial overlaps as intentional strategy. It’s compelling as a narrative, but not substantiated by investigative findings from the Mueller Report or congressional inquiries.
You can think this campaign was problematic and weird, but seriously - stop calling everything you don’t like “Nazism”. You are watering down holocaust and our painful and tragic history. And for the 100tj time, I am so sick of everyone using OUR tragedy to call out every little injustice they deem worthy of calling out while absolutely ignoring the SHARP SCARY rise in antj jewish sentiment, while Jews are harassed, murdered, villanized, held hostage - like the actual thing that parallels to the Holocaust. If you can’t understand that then you legit don’t understand the Holocaust and should really stop talking about it. Many of you wouldn’t know Nazism if it stared you in the mirror. I said what I said. I’m sick of your performative outrage and virtue signaling and calling things out for the instant gratification.
Lester Please SHUT your Stupid Mouth, You are a Nitwit and everybody know it and don't want to be bothered with your stupidity.
Your dumbness is not worth our time.
LES, GO PLAY IN TRAFFIC!
Minus: It's not illegal to get dirt on your enemy... it is to set them up for a phony FBI investigation.
Except that it IS illegal.
Via Copilot...
⚖️ Is It Illegal to “Get Dirt” on a Political Opponent?
Generally, No: Opposition research is a standard part of political campaigns. Candidates routinely dig up unfavorable information about opponents.
But There Are Limits...
Foreign Involvement: Under the Federal Election Campaign Act, it’s illegal to solicit or accept anything of value -- including damaging information -- from foreign nationals.
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Don Junior solicited information from Russian sources in his email communications with Rob Goldstone. You think Rob Goldstone was in on the "set up"?
Via Copilot...
🧠 Who Is Rob Goldstone?
A British music publicist.
Longtime associate of the Trump family via the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow.
Represented Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose father Aras Agalarov is a Kremlin-connected oligarch.
Goldstone emailed Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 offering “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary” as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump”.
donald trump junior was eager to get documents being offered as part of "Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump”. This was ILLEGAL.
Under the Federal Election Campaign Act, it’s illegal to solicit or accept anything of value -- including damaging information -- from foreign nationals.
You think there is a connection between Rob Goldstone and Fusion GPS and/or Perkins Coei? I've never heard there was. There is a connection between Rob Goldstone and the Kremlin-connected oligarch, Aras Agalarov.
The simplest Occam's razor explanation is that the donald trump campaign wanted help from Russia and DID meet with Kremlin Connected individuals multiple times -- which means there was collusion between trump and Russia and that your tinfoil hat conspiracy theory about a "setup" is BS.
Via Copilot...
🧠 The Simpler Explanation: Russia Offered Help, Trump Campaign Accepted
This theory requires only a few straightforward premises:
Russia wanted to influence the 2016 election.
The Trump campaign was receptive to damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
The Trump Tower meeting was a direct result of that alignment.
The campaign did not report the meeting to the FBI, despite prior warnings.
This aligns with:
Rob Goldstone’s emails explicitly stating the offer was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
Donald Trump Jr.’s response: “If it’s what you say I love it.”
The meeting itself, which included senior campaign officials.
The broader context of Russian hacking, WikiLeaks releases, and social media interference.
🧩 The “Setup” Theory: A More Convoluted Path.
To believe the meeting was a setup orchestrated by Fusion GPS or Perkins Coie, one must assume:
Fusion GPS had advance knowledge of the meeting.
They coordinated with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya.
Rob Goldstone was either complicit or manipulated.
The goal was to bait the Trump campaign into a compromising situation.
This theory lacks direct evidence and requires multiple actors across national boundaries to collaborate in secret -- without leaving a paper trail. It’s not impossible, but it’s far less parsimonious.
The “setup” theory, while intriguing, requires a web of assumptions that stretch plausibility without corroboration.
Minus: Intellectual firepower that only shoots blanks.
You're describing yourself. There is very little to the tinfoil hat conspiracy theories you been posting about bigly recently. Your insistence that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, et al, are going to prison will be proven wrong. But then you'll just blame the "deep state". Despite donald trump being in complete control and all the Executive Branch agencies being headed by toadies, somehow the "deep state" will thwart the Orange Turd.
Unless the United States flips fascist and democracy ends. Which would be a development you will cheer (if it happens). If it doesn't, then people can't be sent to prison on such obviously phony charges. I'm not saying people can't be sent to prison based on phony charges. What I'm saying is that what is being alleged here is so obviously phony it's laughable.
Under the Federal Election Campaign Act, it’s illegal to solicit or accept anything of value -- including damaging information -- from foreign nationals.
But it's perfectly okay to "buy" it, ala Steele Dossier. All jr. had to do is give the Russian $0.01 and it was legal. Did he "validate" her parking? LEGAL!
I can hear them now...
Yes, in Intelligence Work it's call creating "reasonable doubt". it only works until Ockham steeps in with his rasor.
Anymouse, go lock yourself in your mommies cellar.
...in your delusions.
Call it "prophesies".
Les needs company!
Via Copilot...
The Trump supporter’s argument -- that the Trump Tower meeting was no different from Hillary Clinton paying a foreign national for opposition research -- has surface-level appeal but breaks down under legal and contextual scrutiny.
🧠 Key Legal Distinctions.
Solicitation vs. Contracting: The Trump campaign solicited and accepted a meeting with a foreign national offering damaging info. Clinton’s team contracted a firm that hired a foreign national to perform research. The former is closer to a direct foreign contribution; the latter is more akin to hiring a foreign vendor.
Intent and Coordination: The Trump Tower meeting was pitched as part of “Russia’s support for Mr. Trump”. That implies coordination with a foreign government. The Steele dossier, while controversial, was not directly tied to any foreign government.
Legal Precedent: Campaign finance law prohibits accepting anything of value from foreign nationals. Whether opposition research counts as such is debated, but courts have not ruled the Clinton campaign’s actions illegal. The Trump Tower meeting, however, was investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller as part of a broader probe into Russian interference.
🌀 Bottom Line.
The Trump supporter’s argument is rhetorically effective but legally flawed. While both campaigns engaged in ethically murky behavior, the Trump Tower meeting involved a direct offer from a foreign national with government ties, whereas the Steele dossier was commissioned through intermediaries and paid for as a service.
Via Copilot...
The claim that the Trump Tower meeting was a “setup” because Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after the meeting is based on real reporting -- but the conclusion that this proves a coordinated trap is speculative and not supported by direct evidence.
✅ What’s Confirmed.
Glenn Simpson, co-founder of Fusion GPS, did meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower.
Veselnitskaya was involved in a separate legal case (Prevezon Holdings) in which Fusion GPS was conducting research. Simpson and Veselnitskaya were both working on the same side of that case.
The information Veselnitskaya brought to the Trump Tower meeting -- alleging tax evasion by Clinton-connected donors -- was derived from Fusion GPS research, but not from the Steele dossier.
Fusion GPS has stated it was unaware of the Trump Tower meeting at the time it occurred.
❌ What’s Not Proven.
There is no evidence that Fusion GPS orchestrated the Trump Tower meeting or that Simpson coordinated with Veselnitskaya to entrap the Trump campaign.
Simpson’s meetings with Veselnitskaya appear to have been related to the Prevezon case, not election interference.
The idea of a “setup” implies intent and coordination to deceive or entrap, which has not been substantiated by investigators or court findings.
🧠 Legal and Narrative Implications.
The proximity of Simpson’s meetings with Veselnitskaya raises eyebrows and fuels conspiracy theories, but it doesn’t meet the threshold of proof for a coordinated plot. Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigated both Fusion GPS and the Trump Tower meeting, and no charges or findings suggested Fusion GPS engineered the meeting.
In narrative terms, this is a classic case of circumstantial coincidence being reframed as intentional conspiracy -- a move common in political storytelling. If you’re interested, we could dramatize this as a noir-style mystery: Simpson as the weary gumshoe, Veselnitskaya as the enigmatic informant, and the Trump campaign as a crew walking into a fog of half-truths and misdirection.
Via Copilot...
The argument that the Trump Tower meeting was a “setup” because the Trump campaign received no useful information is rhetorically clever -- but not conclusive. Let’s unpack it.
🧾 What Actually Happened at the Meeting.
Purpose: Donald Trump Jr. agreed to the meeting after being promised “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary” and help his father’s campaign.
Outcome: Attendees -- including Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort-- later said the meeting quickly shifted to a discussion of Russian adoptions and the Magnitsky Act. No incriminating documents or actionable intel were provided.
Duration: The meeting lasted about 20–30 minutes.
🧠 Does Lack of Useful Info Prove a Setup?
Not necessarily. Here’s why:
1. Failed Promise ≠ Trap.
The fact that the promised “dirt” on Clinton didn’t materialize could mean:
The Russians had nothing substantial.
The meeting was a bait-and-switch to lobby against sanctions.
Or yes, it could have been a test or provocation -- but that’s speculative.
2. Intent Still Matters.
Trump Jr.’s email response -- “If it’s what you say I love it” -- shows intent to receive foreign assistance.
Whether or not the meeting delivered, the campaign’s willingness to engage is what drew legal and ethical scrutiny.
3. Setup Requires Coordinated Deception.
To prove a “setup,” one would need evidence that Fusion GPS, Veselnitskaya, or others conspired to lure the Trump team into a compromising situation.
Investigations by Mueller and Congress found no such coordination.
🕵️♂️ Narrative vs. Evidence.
The “setup” theory is a narrative frame, not a proven fact. It’s useful for political messaging -- especially to suggest entrapment or deep-state sabotage -- but it lacks evidentiary support. It’s a bit like saying a magician “set up” the audience because the trick didn’t reveal what they expected. Suspicious? Maybe. Coordinated conspiracy? Not proven.
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^^Co-Pilot does all thinking for him^^
Q.E.D.
^^ Lets conservative trump boot lickers like Mark Moore do his thinking for him ^^
QED ...that you are unable to refute the fact I presented? Looks like it.
Goldstone emailed Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 offering “official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary” as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump”.
QED the trump campaign was eager to collude with the Russian government. They should have notified the FBI about the meeting as they had been instructed to do. If it was a "set up", they walked into it willingly.
btw, this wasn't entrapment either. Entrapment is "is a defense used when a law enforcement officer or their agent induces an individual to commit a crime they would not have otherwise committed".
Except the trump campaign was very eager to commit this crime and highly receptive to overtures from Russian operatives in furtherance of committing collisionary crimes.
^^CoPilot feeds him sh*t and Derv eats it up.^^
Ever see The Sting? "The Set-Up," "The Hook," "The Tale," "The Wire," "The Shut-Out," and "The Sting".
"FBI... LOOK, RUSSIAN COLLUSION!"
Goldstone was a patsy for Natalia...
Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer known for her meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the 2016 US election campaign, was involved in legal work related to Prevezon Holdings.
Specifically, she represented Prevezon in a money laundering case brought by the U.S. government in the Southern District of New York. In the course of this representation, she was accused of obstruction of justice for allegedly submitting false and deceptive declarations to a federal judge in New York City.
While she is based in Moscow at the law firm Camerton Consulting, her involvement with the Prevezon case led her to retain the services of Fusion GPS, a Washington D.C. based private intelligence firm, to conduct research aimed at strengthening Prevezon's defense. This arrangement became controversial due to Fusion GPS's separate work on the Trump "dossier". However, Fusion GPS stated that they had no prior knowledge of her meeting with Trump Jr. and that any claim of their involvement in arranging it is false.
Yet Fusion GPS met with her hours after the Trump Tower meeting. Because Natalia was a patsy for Fusion GPS, the "Steele Dossier" people. Notice any consistent threads yet?
Fusion GPS, "Whoa Nellie, we didn't pay for any fake Russia-Russia data to pass on to Bruce Ohr at FBI. What? His wife Nellie worked for Fusion GPS and worked with Christopher Steele? That's just a coincidence...."
(U// During the 2016 presidential election, Nellie Ohr worked for Fusion GPS — a firm hired by the campaign of the Democrat Party nominee Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee to perform political opposition research — on a project seeking to connect Donald Trump and his campaign chairman, Paul Manafor
^^Doesn't think, just reflexively parrots the WaPo line^^
^^Assumes the dirt was valuable^^ Jr. paid $0 for it, it's true "value".
Hillary, on the other hand paid $ for worthless rumours, his it from the FEC, and then paid fines for hiding their scam.
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